quadruple AMF damage to me? (in General)


maulaxe April 29 2005 3:44 PM EDT

this has happened a few times now - look at the AMF damage to my ToF minion in melee!

stIckSlayer 01.forge.cu.cb2

enchantments:
machete cast Ethereal Chains on all enemy Minions (63)
machete cast Guardian Angel on all friendly Minions (?)
hacksaw found no valid targets on which to cast Antimagic Field
hacksaw cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (8114)
wood chipper found no valid targets on which to cast Antimagic Field
wood chipper cast Giant Strength on all friendly Minions (13315)
hachet cast Ethereal Chains on all enemy Minions (3761)
hachet cast Haste on all friendly Minions (13375)
--
1.01.forge.cu.cb2 cast Protection on all friendly Minions (14)
2.01.forge.cu.cb2 cast Vampiric Aura on 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 (?)
3.01.forge.cu.cb2 cast Antimagic Field on hachet's familiar (0.45)

Ranged Combat
machete shot 1.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2126]
hacksaw hit 1.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2541]
wood chipper hit 1.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2675]
wood chipper skewered 1.01.forge.cu.cb2 [3147]
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (2668)!
hachet's familiar's Fireball hit 2.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1303],
3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [852], 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [890]
hachet hit 2.01.forge.cu.cb2 [5013]
R.I.P. 1.01.forge.cu.cb2

machete shot 2.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2682]
hacksaw skewered 2.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2691]
hacksaw skewered 2.01.forge.cu.cb2 [3408]
wood chipper shot 3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2322]
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (3049)!
hachet's familiar's Fireball hit 3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1322],
4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1042]
R.I.P. 2.01.forge.cu.cb2

machete hit 3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2949]
machete hit 3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1889]
hacksaw hit 3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2520]
wood chipper skewered 3.01.forge.cu.cb2 [3201]
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (3430)!
hachet's familiar's Fireball hit 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2868]
hachet shot 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [6751]
hachet hit 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [6439]
R.I.P. 3.01.forge.cu.cb2

Melee Combat
machete pulverized 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1455]
hacksaw pulverized 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [2037]
wood chipper pulverized 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1578]
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (3811)! ----------- !!!!
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (3811)! -----------
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (3811)! ------------
hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (3811)! -------------
hachet's familiar's Fireball hit machete [4749], hacksaw [3951], wood chipper [2883], hachet [3469]
machete's Guardian Angel smote hachet's familiar (2849)
hacksaw's Guardian Angel smote hachet's familiar (2370)
wood chipper's Guardian Angel smote hachet's familiar (1729)
hachet's Guardian Angel smote hachet's familiar (2081)
hachet decapitated 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 [1685]
--
4.01.forge.cu.cb2 crunched machete [2578]
4.01.forge.cu.cb2 draws strength from his weapon! [934]
machete's Guardian Angel smote 4.01.forge.cu.cb2 (1329)
R.I.P. hachet's familiar R.I.P. 4.01.forge.cu.cb2
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with AS (no DM this battle) and its natural HP, the tat has 13448 hp. adding up all the damage to the tat gives a total of 8766 ranged and 24273 melee. those numbers agree with the post battle stats (which I forgot to copy down from that particular battle, so i just fought a couple more times and compared) about -19591 hp.

so I am actually getting the damage four times, not simply having it displayed.

... "[edited], mate?"

slurpz April 29 2005 3:47 PM EDT

*WTH

slurpz April 29 2005 3:50 PM EDT

Melee Combat Ryousuke dislimbed hachet's familiar [27495] Ryousuke draws strength from his weapon! [910] hachet's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Ryousuke (1151) Ryousuke eviscerated hachet's familiar [20891] hachet's familiar takes damage from his own Fireball (4582)! hachet's familiar's Fireball hit Ryousuke [5008], hachet [4204] hachet's Guardian Angel smote hachet's familiar (2522) hachet swung wildly at Ryousuke R.I.P. hachet's familiar Ryousuke dislimbed hachet [29193] Ryousuke draws strength from his weapon! [1808] hachet's Guardian Angel smote Ryousuke (2200) Ryousuke decapitated hachet [26996] hachet's blow was dodged by Ryousuke R.I.P. hachet i see only 1 AMF damage during melee

slurpz April 29 2005 3:51 PM EDT

o.O somehow it got screwed up :P

maulaxe April 29 2005 4:00 PM EDT

i unequipped my ammo and fought, and did not get multiple AMF damage, but reequipping did it again...

[EG] Almuric April 29 2005 4:17 PM EDT

Heh. I'm guessing Jon is making changes, in preparation for change month starting Saturday at midnight (also known as Doomsday). Something must have slipped in early.

So we can theorize that AMF will be four times as powerful as before? Well, MageBlender no more, then.

;}

maulaxe April 29 2005 4:25 PM EDT

wouldn't that be nice... for some reason that made me imagine somone with a giant nerf gun (I don't know how wide-spread the brand is) shooting everything in sight with soft spongy projectiles

but Jon wouldn't start early, would he? He wouldn't ever do something that mean... Imagine, having to blend in constant fear of nerfage - horrible!

Arorrr April 29 2005 4:28 PM EDT

WOW, he is going to up AMF 4x? That's seriously hurt none SMTOE. Let see how it comes out.

slurpz April 29 2005 4:31 PM EDT

can anyone else verify this?

Tenchi Muyo April 29 2005 4:32 PM EDT

Just looks like each target it hits gives it AMF damage, rather than once for multiple targets.

slurpz April 29 2005 4:42 PM EDT

Valor cast Antimagic Field on Mage (AoE) (0.32)
Valor cast Antimagic Field on Mage (DD) (0.32)
Valor cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (1471)
Wisdom cast Ethereal Chains on all enemy Minions (10894)
Wisdom cast Guardian Angel on all friendly Minions (?)

Mage (AoE) takes damage from his own Fireball (1974)!
Mage (AoE)'s Fireball hit Valor [1557], Wisdom's familiar [420], Wisdom [1915], Power [842], Ice [1897]
Valor's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (848)
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (225)
Wisdom's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (843)
Power's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (469)
Ice's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (891)

Mage (AoE) takes damage from his own Fireball (2256)!
Mage (AoE)'s Fireball hit Wisdom's familiar [355], Power [1239], Ice [1842]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (185)
Power's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (704)
Ice's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (878)
Mage (DD) takes damage from his own Magic missile (1641)!
Mage (DD)'s Magic missile hit Wisdom's familiar [1886]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (DD) (845)

Mage (AoE) takes damage from his own Fireball (2539)!
Mage (AoE)'s Fireball hit Wisdom's familiar [435], Power [907], Ice [1809]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (232)
Power's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (504)
Ice's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (878)
Mage (DD) takes damage from his own Magic missile (1846)!
Mage (DD)'s Magic missile hit Wisdom's familiar [2976]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (DD) (926)

aladin mistimed his attack at Wisdom's familiar
Cleric stumbled swinging at Wisdom's familiar
Mage (AoE)'s familiar's blow was dodged by Wisdom's familiar
Mage (AoE) takes damage from his own Fireball (2821)!
Mage (AoE)'s Fireball hit Wisdom's familiar [595], Power [1485], Ice [2202], Paladin [583], Cleric [1270], Mage (AoE)'s familiar [354], Mage (DD) [797]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (329)
Power's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (839)
Ice's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (910)
Mage (DD) takes damage from his own Magic missile (2052)!
Mage (DD)'s Magic missile hit Wisdom's familiar [1884]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (DD) (863)

Paladin mistimed his attack at Wisdom's familiar
Cleric stumbled swinging at Wisdom's familiar
Mage (AoE)'s familiar's blow was dodged by Wisdom's familiar
Mage (AoE) takes damage from his own Fireball (2821)!
Mage (AoE)'s Fireball hit Wisdom's familiar [632], Power [1439], Ice [1723], Paladin [757], Cleric [1147], Mage (AoE)'s familiar [189], Mage (DD) [896]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (343)
Power's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (818)
Ice's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (739)
Mage (DD) takes damage from his own Magic missile (2052)!
Mage (DD)'s Magic missile hit Wisdom's familiar [1562]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (DD) (811)

Paladin's blow was dodged by Wisdom's familiar
Cleric mistimed his attack at Wisdom's familiar
Mage (AoE)'s familiar bruised Wisdom's familiar [464]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE)'s familiar (70)
Mage (AoE) takes damage from his own Fireball (2821)!
Mage (AoE)'s Fireball hit Wisdom's familiar [1030], Power [2189], Paladin [788], Cleric [2412], Mage (AoE)'s familiar [391], Mage (DD) [2215]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (581)
Power's Guardian Angel smote Mage (AoE) (909)
Mage (DD) takes damage from his own Magic missile (2052)!
Mage (DD)'s Magic missile hit Wisdom's familiar [3120]
Wisdom's familiar's Guardian Angel smote Mage (DD) (941)

somehow I still see only 1 AMF damage =___________=

maulaxe April 29 2005 4:43 PM EDT

well in any case it is not entirely consistent, I just fought the same char, without having trained, and did not get the extra damage.

so if it werent for Jon having told us that - if we thought we had found a bug, we were probably wrong - I would say this is a bug; however as it is, I simply keep blending and mindlessly believing the Creator... remember this is not a democracy!

AdminJonathan April 29 2005 4:45 PM EDT

I haven't made any changes recently.

slurpz April 29 2005 4:45 PM EDT

pwned!

Starseed^Lure April 29 2005 6:00 PM EDT

How recently is recently? Give up this ruse and reveal your evil plot, Jon! ;p

Fishead April 29 2005 6:36 PM EDT

It looks to me like your own GA is returning damage to your ToF familiar. Remember, your own minions take damage from your own fireball in melee. and if they have AMF or GA, that damage is returned to who ever dealt it.

maulaxe April 29 2005 6:51 PM EDT

I know that, the damage was not from GA. what I was pointing out was the line "takes damage from his own fireball" that was repeated four times in a row.

AdminShade April 29 2005 8:45 PM EDT

your familiar simply dealt damage to 4 !!!! minions with an AMF cast. which results in 4 !!!! times AMF damage, DUH...

AdminShade April 29 2005 9:00 PM EDT

but: even i could be wrong, but i did some testing the other day and i tested some different AMF stats and found nothing weird, can you duplicate the incident?

Fishead April 29 2005 10:41 PM EDT

Duh, it gives GA damage right below that. My eyes avoid the screen when I work in the office all day:P

maulaxe April 30 2005 1:55 AM EDT

shade, it was not a question of me dealing more damage, but of being dealt the backlash from the fireball four times instead of one.

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] April 30 2005 5:16 AM EDT

And what Shade said was that you were receiving the 'more' damage in _4_ blasts instead of _1_. The backlash is all from the same spell, just displayed separately for each minion hit by the spell.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] April 30 2005 7:12 AM EDT

Shade I thought you would know that when hitting any number of targets with DD the AMF backlash is normally shown as a single entry.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 April 30 2005 8:31 AM EDT

it is shown as a single entry, i can find no explination for what happened in the original post *baffled look*

maulaxe May 3 2005 3:49 AM EDT

I noticed it again, same opponent etc... any suggestions on what to try and change to test for it? unequip different things?

i tried training a base DD spell on one of my minions, and it stopped.
i have not seen it happen during ranged.

I will look around and see if it happens with anyone else, but for now I also am still stumped...

AdminShade May 3 2005 5:56 AM EDT

Rubber: indeed your right, i think this is just something strange and perhaps he is just referring to 4 rounds in which he got the same damage...
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