Can this get any worse? (in General)


CoolWater May 14 2005 6:59 PM EDT

Sure it can.
I lost 1/2 of my fight list after the NW/PR link and less rewards which barely pay for my ammo.
Lost CoBF and lost the other 1/2 of my fight list.
This is great, I just lost to everyone in my fight list.
Try tweaking my strat and still lost all my fights except against 1 character (he must be very unlucky)
Help and strat advise please, if you have any.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] May 14 2005 7:01 PM EDT

i would advise getting rid of DM, and maybe getting AMF and EC, AMF recently got a boost against those pesky TOE mages and EC will help even out the stat differences between your tanks and other larger tanks

BrandonLP May 14 2005 7:02 PM EDT

Stop using expensive ammo. =)

CoolWater May 14 2005 7:06 PM EDT

I just untrained my AMF. I used to have AMF and still lost all my fights. My ammo is only x5 (+6), is this that expensive?

bartjan May 14 2005 7:07 PM EDT

Only?? I use (both CB1 and CB2) only x2+1...

BrandonLP May 14 2005 7:08 PM EDT

You're using slayers. That's an expensive option.

Warchild May 14 2005 7:10 PM EDT

first off what he meant by expensive is the slayers you have on

secondly x5+6 is expensive even for regular ammo

and finally Green water seems to serve no purpose other than casting VA move him to the front and lose the MH on him...and moving your FB mage in front of your tank may not be a bad idea to avoid splash

CoolWater May 14 2005 7:25 PM EDT

ok, changing to less expensive ammo now.
FB mage is now AMF only.
MH and CML removed.
still not good.

madmax3 May 14 2005 7:31 PM EDT

If 1/2 your fight list was reliant on a cobf to win, I'd say a rethink in strategy is more the problem than Jon's changes. Maybe try the tobf in it's place.

CoolWater May 14 2005 7:40 PM EDT

I think my NW is too big for my skills and spells level.

Manta May 14 2005 7:47 PM EDT

Oh, dear.
Main problem: GreenWater was a wall, but now, with no CoBF, it is not very useful.
Moreover, BL is not only useless on him, but actually counter-productive.
Second problem: both your mage and your tank are pitiful: how do you mean to kill opponents?

Various options:
1) unlearn the HP on GW, transform it into a AS enchanter, and move it in front of RW.
Then either convert the ToE to a ToA, and move the ToA on WW,
or move the ToE on RW , which should become a full-fledged mage (either CoC or MM).
You might also move the DB on RW.
Since you have trained AMF, you might want to target mages. In that case, you do not need much DEX on your tank.
If you convert to ToA, unlearn all the DEX on the tank to raise HP and archery, and put the CML on it.
If you move to ToE, you might want to switch from mithril shield to mage shield.
Result: either EEET, or EETM.
2) convert the ToE to a TBF, and keep the same settings. It could be a dangerous: we do not know the details of the new tattoo, and Jon might nerf it in a few days.
Result: EEWT.

Until you raise in MPR, you might also want to unequip some of your most expensive armour, unless you find that it really helps you to win more battles.

Do not split your enchantments: only one of your minion should cast VA: probably, GW.

If slayers are too expensive, get normal ammo.

Question: does the CoI give any bonus to enchantments? If not, get rid of the CoI on BW.

Since you are on my fightlist, I hope that this advice will help you to recover from the loss, and raise your score.

CoolWater May 14 2005 8:39 PM EDT

made all the changes suggested, but none works.
Looks like a single minion char will dominate with less NW. I think this is why most single minion gets more rewards now for fighting 4 minions team with high NW and PR.

3D May 14 2005 9:17 PM EDT

AMF = bad the FB mage gets backfire from own AMF i think

Sacredpeanut May 14 2005 9:23 PM EDT

Turn your TOE into a TOA and put it on your tank - its ST/DX are too low to pose a threat to other tanks around your PR, get rid of your MM mage and turn it into an Enchanter that casts AMF and VA. Untrain the VA on your Tank and dump all the exp into Archery to get your Archery back to 1.00

Gokhan May 14 2005 9:34 PM EDT

Why don't you move the tank in front of the mage?

BrandonLP May 14 2005 9:41 PM EDT

You don't take backfire from your own AMF. That'd be... odd.

AdminShade May 14 2005 9:53 PM EDT

your own fault.

CoolWater May 14 2005 10:13 PM EDT

My archery is at 1.00

AdminShade May 14 2005 10:15 PM EDT

fire the 2 first minions, stop using specialty ammo.


this will certainly make you win against your then new fight list :)
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