A Sad Day (in General)

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] May 16 2005 10:34 AM EDT

You wake up on Monday morning with a full set of BA, 4mil in your bank account, and plenty of spare gear to liquidate. Your character is powerful enough to compete with almost anyone. You burn through your BA on a PR shortened fight list, so that you have cushion to read forums, check auctions, and see if you can camp some quick rare ammo. Once the BA is down to a respectable level, you slide into the Blacksmith, and its empty. You have 4mil in hand, gear to make it at least 7 mil, an empty Blacksmith cue, and armor you want to upgrade, and you can't. Not because you don't have money, or the line is too long, or because your gear is where you want it. No the reason you cannot upgrade is because it will hurt your character. Can you believe that?

Well I can't. Its a truly sad day at that point. So what do you do? It will be a long time before adding more net worth won't effect my character detrimentally. Heck you can't even think maybe you could give some of your good fortune away, because you could screw a new person's entire character up by giving them too much. So what do you do?

Well the obvious answer that is echoing over and over is sell for USD. I have never sold for USD. I always thought that it was one of worst things about CB because it created unfair advantage that a dedictated great community member who is 13 years old cannot compete with. So I have avoided selling for USD and been pretty successful at it. However, now I have a lot of money, more coming in from pay plan payments, more coming in from fighting rewards (a lot less than it used to be), and at least 3 mil in gear to sell. The money does absolutely nothing just sitting on my character. Doesn't even earn the crappy 1% interest my "totally free" checking account does. And besides, what is the thing that money is best out, making more of it, and I have more than I can use as it is.

So in the end, what do you do? Well I am going to try to resist to sell for USD, try to figure something constructive with my cash. But if I fail, and I start down that slippery slope, then I'm done, I am cashing out. I will sell all my characters and gear for USD, start a small junk character, and do the only thing left that is fun for me (camping) until I bore of that as well.

So how do you as the reader take this post. You have a couple of ways to go. You can say oh Boo Hoo, you have almost 50 million in nw and 7 mil in cash, cry me a river, go away you pathietic whiner. Which isn't far down the road. You can say something silly like, give it to me I can use it constructively. You can offer real live honest suggestions that may actually make a difference for me. Or you can chat mail a private USD bid for Gyaxx, buy him all told before a post is made and maybe catch him for considerably less than a bidding war might garner me while Im still steaming about the empty blacksmith cue.

In the end, I'm sure there are a bunch of other reactions possible, and I'm sure I will get some of the worst ones. But to me, it really is a sad day. Half of the reason I play is slowly dwindling away and the game isn't 5 months old.

So help save my enthusiasm for the game, or flame me out the USD door. The choice is yours. Me. I will spend the day in mourning, for the CB I used to love is dead.

[Banned]Monty May 16 2005 10:38 AM EDT


Restart. sell everything and rebuild.

deifeln May 16 2005 10:39 AM EDT


I have an extremely high NW/MPR ratio. It really isn't changing my rewards that much. Try renting some large NW item and see for yourself. You can still drop some NW into your items.

deifeln May 16 2005 10:41 AM EDT

Wow...you have 50million NW...didn't see that...care to pump up my items :o/

Will [Retired] May 16 2005 10:41 AM EDT

Become a bank,
Buy stuff and try to make a profit,
Get a novelty item and upgrade (my +66 Dagger),
Mess around with a new strat that is completely ridiculous.

Try some of those, its what I've mostly been doing since I quit the Clan -WRK-

Oh yeah and forge, but that isn't fun to everyone... :S

AdminShade May 16 2005 10:41 AM EDT

oh please, buy another minion with your 4 mil and stop whining. ;)

[Banned]Monty May 16 2005 10:42 AM EDT

HAHA @ Shade

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] May 16 2005 10:45 AM EDT

Keep Gyaxx.

Sell all your extra $CB2 for actual USD. Be a philanthropic wonder with your $CB2 -- you needn't "profit" and be all "sharky sell out" just because you _can_ sell for $USD. Or put it all towards a fabulous shoe budget for Mrs. Sefton, if you don't want to be _too_ charitable. ;-)

Alternatively, start selling millions upon millions for $5 or $10 per. Shake up the economy. Let someone decide to give you some competition with your own money, PR/NW be damned!

NSFY May 16 2005 10:47 AM EDT

All evil in CB can be traced to camping (ok, and overzealous junior deputies).

You reap what you sew.

QBJohnnywas May 16 2005 10:47 AM EDT

You could do a couple of things.

Persuade Jon that tourneys are a good idea, especially if they are officially sponsored by Sefton, his considerable item hoard and camping skills providing the prizes.

Restart as Monty says. Sell up your gear/char and see if you can get back to the top using only cash made during fighting. Or keep it all for when the char is large enough to be able to use it all.

Pick usernames at random and give it all away.

Set yourself some new targets/goals for the game. Because if you find you can't come up with any then maybe the game really is dead for you?

Finally - sell up for USD and buy your wife something nice =)

Todd May 16 2005 10:49 AM EDT

As much as I admire your ability to camp and fight, I can't find myself feeling sorry for a camper complaining about having too much NW.


QBJohnnywas May 16 2005 10:49 AM EDT

One last comment: I think there are a lot of us who play who take the game far more seriously than we should (me included). Just keep remembering to enjoy yourself.... =)

[Banned]Monty May 16 2005 10:49 AM EDT

I can't believe this just hit me! sell your Cb2 for CB1$ cb1 u can go as high NW as yuo want because NW is not PR. there.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 16 2005 10:50 AM EDT

Keep giving the BS something to do!!

So your PR will increase due to inflating NW, but you can head the race to make a minion with 477 enchantment AC!

Build that marvel, and lament at yout score to PR ratio.

Until everyone else in the game realises that bar Decay, nothing can kill your minion...

Majestik Moose May 16 2005 10:59 AM EDT

hmmm. so far, I've pretty much given up on having the best char too.. I have no PR, and way too much NW.. (someday, there maybe will be a big char for sale, but for now, I just invest the money into rares of my liking, and forging)

QBPit Spawn [Abyssal Specters] May 16 2005 11:01 AM EDT

SEF! whatever you do, just dont quit cb :) (either one)

onlyyouknow May 16 2005 11:04 AM EDT

I also have this feeling that the recent changes is making the game less interesting. Now upgrading is no longer looked upon, forging jobs will reduce and the only thing you can do is fight and get base rare items. For those at higher pr, they cannot afford to increase their nw too much or suffer the increase in score and pr. Hope to see more things created to keep the interest in it or else the supportship that I paid for is wasted.

CooperTX May 16 2005 11:05 AM EDT

Insta-downgrade your equipment, use the money you have to deck out all your farms in top end gear that is at the NW it needs to be so they aren't too PR pumped.

onlyyouknow May 16 2005 11:10 AM EDT

But farms are no fun. I prefer active characters that you can see growing everyday. How I love the days before nw was added to pr, sigh...

Special J May 16 2005 11:10 AM EDT

There is only so much insta downing he can do, no one can use his NW items.

CooperTX May 16 2005 11:12 AM EDT

Pick three teams, throw a 1/3 of your BA to each team a day, see how large you can make all three. :)

onlyyouknow May 16 2005 11:15 AM EDT

Yeah, that's the problem. Will be sad to see another big player leave. :(

AdminG Beee May 16 2005 11:16 AM EDT

Options: Buy another two ELBs or use your CB2 cash to pay for naming the rest of your equipment and never let another day go past when you don't buy your max allocation of BA.

Alternatively, sell for USD and spend it on your therapist... you'll get over it in the end.

QBsutekh137 May 16 2005 11:33 AM EDT

If at this point you are wasting a singe BA on camping and are not buying every BA possible, then you are doing something wrong (IMO). You should be doing everything you can to add to minion PR -- that should be the main focus. Minion PR will eventually become what makes your character strong. Returns on NW addition to weapons and armor would eventually diminish REGARDLESS of this new linkage (all upgrade costs are now exponential now that CBFs are delightfully deleted).

So, how do we increase minion PR using that cash?

First, no more camping. I mean, why? You have everything you need and have a ton of cash. Why buy more? If you are simply addicted to camping and enjoy the "hunt", then why are you bothering with Gyaxx at all? Go camp! Enjoy! This change has no effect on that whatsoever.

Second, buy all BA. Perhaps you are already doing this, I don't know. Buy it all. Optimize times on when to spend it as clan rankings change and bonus times go into effect.

Third, uberize your ammo. Can you beat everyone? If not, uberize your ammo until you can (only up to a point...ammo can get VERY expensive).

Fourth, find a clan with 10-15 bonus all the time, or build up your current clan more by sharing your wealth or finding newbies that will fight like crazy. There are aspects to the game that DON'T involve BA, PR, or NW -- concentrate on those.

Fifth, get a bigger ToA? Yes, this counts toward PR. Also, there probably aren't many folks wanting to part with theirs. But it is still something to take a look at.

Let's see...what else can we do with the cash...

Have you analyzed the best spots to concentrate your item wealth? Play around...mix and match. Are all of your upgrades on the cheapest items to upgrade? I know you probably have that pretty well analyzed already...

In CB1, Spid had a Lochaber Axe that was way bigger than it needed to be by the time he got his strategy right (dumping GS for Haste). NW overkill has been a part of the game for a long time. I don't recall Todd-Spydah ever lamenting the fact that they had nothing to upgrade any more. They were...done. You are in a similar situation on the item front, except there are still people who can beat you. They can beat you because of having larger tattoos and higher MPR. So that is where you should concentrate.

[EG] Almuric May 16 2005 11:43 AM EDT

What Chet said.

Alternatively, since you're lamenting not earning interest, become a bank. The economic aspects of the game are interesting to several people (see: Barron). Many people earn 8%-10% interest on the loans they give out. Since you enjoy camping, maybe banking is close enough to provide some amusement.

Maelstrom May 16 2005 11:49 AM EDT

I must agree with Sefton here. Last week, within two days, my fight rewards halved due to the addition of NW to PR, and I got 4.5mil when the CBFs were removed. I can't spend all this money on upgrading my equipment, and I don't want to sell it off.

However, Chet's idea for buying BA sounds like a very good idea. It just never occurred to me! I guess when I was poor and wanted equipment, I didn't want to spend my money on what didn't seem like a good investment. Now, though, if I want to improve my equipment, I need to improve my character as well.

QBsutekh137 May 16 2005 12:21 PM EDT

Interesting, though...with NW being linked, perhaps BA buying availability should be increased by some amount?

Because in case I didn't say it, I do see Sefton's point...

Ascent May 16 2005 12:25 PM EDT

Sounds like there are some good suggestions here... this may be another one: take a month or so off. Come back when this change month is done and the next one is fired up... or finished... realize that nothing in CB is sacred, and the only constant is change. Far too often people wig out and get out of the game because of this change or that one... only to have it adjusted or something else boosted later... patience *is* a virtue.... everyone's freaking out about the new change, but it's not set in stone.... it may be tweaked and adjusted (I imagine it will be, as Jon, like any artist, is never fully satisfied with his work, nor considers it "finished" or untouchable)...

The CB that many people used to love is dead... not just the CB that was here a week ago... what about the CB that was here 6 month ago? or 10 months ago when IA's ruled the world? or before the original *gasp* rescale.... or back when banks were around... don't jump to any hasty conclusions, that's all I'm saying. If you really enjoy CB and don't know what to do, take some time off, and come back to a whole new world (depending on how long you take :)

Another idea might be a stunning rental business... with existing gear as well as new stuff that could be pumped up to spec and rented out... I've run rental businesses before... it's pretty fun. I don't think the rental market is dead just yet, either.

QBBarzooMonkey May 16 2005 12:28 PM EDT

But to me, it really is a sad day. Half of the reason I play is slowly dwindling away and the game isn't 5 months old.

So help save my enthusiasm for the game, or flame me out the USD door. The choice is yours. Me. I will spend the day in mourning, for the CB I used to love is dead.

--Sefton, 10:34 AM EDT

I couldn't agree more. CB2 no longer even remotely resembles the game I spent my hard-earned $ on for supportership and item naming. I feel like I've wasted a huge amount of time for 3 months to not only learn the game and develop strategy, but as a newcomer in general, learn how the "community" works, and develop my place in it.

As May started, I had finally reached a point where rewards were starting to make sense, and I had a handle on how most everything about CB2 worked, and was ready to devote more time and effort to really try to move up in the ranks, and really try to become part of the overall madness that was CB2.

Then the armor nerfs started to happen. Big blow to one of my characters. No big deal, I thought - all the veterans talk about how change is the only constant in CB, so I started adjusting, still full of enthusiasm.

After the NW=PR change, I was suddenly back to February level rewards. Annoying, but I thought I'd try to fix it. I spent so much time re-arranging characters and equipment to no avail on Saturday, that I realized that I basically need to sell off big gear and start over. And my characters a pretty low level to start with.

No thanks. I don't really have that kind of time to devote again, and since most of what I loved about this game is gone, making the time isn't worth it.

Remember the long thread about "for the love of CB' suggestions to keep new players? The nw=pr changes are the exact opposite.

I'll probably do some contests to give away my bigger stuff, so watch for them if you're interested.

There, Sefton - a reaction you didn't mention - neither a flame nor an attempt to save your enthusiasm, just a little empathy...

Koala May 16 2005 12:52 PM EDT

Heck you can't even think maybe you could give some of your good fortune away, because you could screw a new person's entire character up by giving them too much. So what do you do?

one of the things I enjoy Seft is when you've had a good day camping and come into New Players and increase your Karma.
it really helps people out and I enjoy their reaction to getting something neat. Please don't sell out seft.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] May 16 2005 1:24 PM EDT

I will try and briefly touch on the various interesting posts, but I will mention that many of the "novelty" type suggestion I have already played around with quite a bit on CB1. The upping of weird gear, messing around with different strats and the such.

Shade, next minion costs 1.4mil, and don't see how it helps me.

Bast, heh, undercut the camping market, make all of them as mad at me, as all of your High PR Low NW people are....I get enough hatred as it is :)

NSFY, so very true, looks like I can reap about $1000 USD or more!

Jonnywas, tournaments are definately a good suggestion, I have got into them more on CB1 of late for similiar reasons, if they make a come baclk, I may be heavily involved. I also like the pick users at random. I have been kicking around "sponsorships" as well, picking a few people I really like and basically making them better than everyone else. Spread my NW to 3 or 4 people, stick them all in the same clan, and see if they can rule. I appreciate the thought you put into your suggetions, if I go this route, you may be one of the candidates :)

Todd, yah in the history of all of CB since the beginning, can you believe its even necessary to complain about too much NW?

Chet, ah Chet, well here goes :) I don't camp just to bump gear, I actually like to do it. It is quite a thrill for me :) So yah sure I could give up doing something I enjoy about CB, but since I already gave up bumping my gear (which was something I enjoy), why should I lose something else I like. So you call it a waste, I call it BA spent on something I enjoy, which is not a waste for me. Buying BA, as I have mentioned numerous times, but will reiterate. It costs me, $107,520 to buy all my BA each day. Assuming spare gear liquidation of 7 million cash total, it will take me 65 days of NO income, stalemating every BA spent to burn through 7 mil. And yes I pretty much buy all the BA I can, its cheap by comparison. Adding NW to beat 2 people so I can have worse rewards against 48 people seems silly to me. I don't have fun worrying about clan stuff. I am in one, and I like my crew, but I cannot stand anal retentive clan leaders who crack the task master whip, and cannot go that route. Adding to the already riduculous PR total by upping the ToA agains seems silly to me, sure I could probably add Ranger and Jochmia consistantly to my fight list, but then instead of 40 exp per fight Ill make 30 exp per fight, not sure I understand the logic there. Yah already did the nw optimization thing, THEN went against my analysis, bumped my elbow to x100 when I should not have for the sheer "fun" sake of having an x100 elbow, and of course that has hurt me the most. As for being done upgrading not even close. If this was last month, and NW wasn't a part of PR, I would have less than 400K in my account and selling spare gear like mad for more. Plenty of places I want to put the money, just will hurt more than help by large margin. Ranger beats me because he has a LOT more PR and a good NW total. Jochmia beats me because he has MORE NW than me and LESS PR (go figure). (and yah actually I have figured, he did it by waiting until after the NW to PR roll in had occured, then used the weapon allowance to properly roll in his NW to PR using that allowance, something I did not have the luxury of doing since I was going down this path since Febuary, long before NW to PR was even introduced by you Chet) So in the end Chet, it seems you are saying give up all the other aspects of CB you used to enjoy and do the one thing that is now the only productive thing to do on CB and that is to click the fight link to the tune of on average 21 hours a day like yourself. So no longer can you spend you time doing a variety of things enjoying each aspect on its own. Now you have to choose. Well I guess thats what this post is about, Im trying to choose. LOL Chet, figures you would take the one point I was trying to hide and make an issue out of it. Yah BA is too cheap, but you didn't hear it from me you heard it from Chet....thats Chet with a C for flaming purposes.

Ascent, while I understand your point, that's just not in my make up. One reason I am successful at things is I go all or nothing. If I need to take a month off, I will just take the rest of my life off :) And just so there is no confusion, everytime this change was mentioned I argued against it as heavily and with as much data and supposition as I could muster. Didn't make one bit of difference of course, but I tried. Every other change that has occured, I rolled with. I have altered my stratedgy many times, and made numerous adaptations, and to be honest I did it well. So its not the same CB from 6 to 10 months ago either, but those changes allowed adaption, the is only two ways I know of (well OK now three, man that is so hard to say) to adapt to this change. 1) fire minions to reduce your PR 2) scrap your entire character for another one, who cant even pretend to equip the gear you own and worked hard for 3) sell off your gear and replace it with crappy less NW items. While possible, if I have to go those routes Ill choose Ill choose D) none of the above and get out your wallets. Rentals, while they could be fun, no one would rent my gear, except maybe handful of people, and besides all rentals would do is make me more money I don't know what to do with. BTW Ascent I do appreciate your suggestions though for I know they were done in the spirit of helping me make a decision.

To those that stuck on the 1% interest thing, banking and the such would simply make me more money that I would have nothing to do with, and I can make 100X camping one day than I could banking for 1 week.

Barzoo, Thank you I could use a little (and yah did catch me by surprise)

Yah Koala I still like doing that too :)

Reebok May 16 2005 1:27 PM EDT

I'd have to say I partially agree with Todd. I've never camped or spent USD once(or rented out my tat, or...), and with the new change I wasn't adversely affected in any way (it actually helped).

I also agree with everyone who had constructive suggestions (there were some good ones) I especially liked the idea about running 3 characters and seeing how high you can get all of them. That was pretty much what I had in mind when I was reading your initial post. Who can say they have the top three chars in the game?

Another suggestion, that would add a new element to the game, would be to teach people how to camp. You're obviously among the best. Why not make some competition? Everyone complains about campers, but if the trade secrets were out there, it would cause chaos. Like that magician guy who told how to do all the tricks.

I know my last suggestion isn't that great, but all the good ones were taken already. I hope you don't leave though, there's not many honorable (see: not in it for a profit) campers out there.

Reebok May 16 2005 1:47 PM EDT

Well, problem (very partially) solved. 50% more BA!

Relic May 16 2005 1:48 PM EDT

I have no suggestion, because my friend you are in at an impass of sorts with your char/strategy/gameplay. A few comments though...

The NW/PR change helped a lot of free players (by free I mean they have paid no real money to be a dominating player), but it also really hurt the players that have spent real money on making dominant characters. I was one of those, I did not play cb1 and as such did not know what the first change month would be like. Now that I have been a part of two change months, it is very difficult for me to invest a lot of time and effort and sometimes usd in making the game real and fun for me personally, when there is an almost 100% chance that any dominating strategy or character will eventually be completely weakened through a nerf or a game change.

While I realize that this is all the perogative of Jonathan, it doesn't change the fact that people are paying him real money for a game (and yes I understand it is not required but a choice) and the game that they initially paid for is not the same game it was to begin with. I know some people like the ebb and flow that this creates but it also makes it impossible to be an all or nothing player like I was and Sefton is...

Well, I don't know if I have an overall point but overall I like the concept and design of cb2, I wouldn't continue to play unless I did. But, my interaction at this point is forging for cb2 and then selling the cb2 for usd. And yes, of course, posting my opinions in the forums. :)

Tezmac May 16 2005 1:49 PM EDT

I really didn't see this mentioned, so I'll throw my 2 cents in. As your PR rises you'll be able to fit higher NW equipment on your character, and as you upgrade your equipment more and more, obviously it gets more expensive. So if you start saving your cash now, by the time your character hits 2M pr, you'll be able to afford to take your ELB (or whatever) from the CB1 equivalent of x25 to x26 and it will fit within your NW/PR limit.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] May 16 2005 1:55 PM EDT

Seft, I'm serious. You are the quintessential rainmaker, time to flood something! Go nuts. Wield your considerable power more like a broadsword than a sabre -- an extra $50m in many hands, at say $5 per mil, with you refusing to sell more than $2m to any one person. You know, just to see what happens. Hopefully, with the changes, we won't see another Mastercard Frankenstein because of it, but maybe?

For everyone who complains that this is a $USD game, $5 per is a nice bump. It won't take care of those who don't have PayPal, but those who are mowing lawns for money might have a shot. And for those who truly have worked to build decent characters and want only an uber-rare or two, it might be nice.

Alternatively, you can do good with your money within the community: buy all the existing DCM. Take it upon yourself to remove them from the game. Even at x2 NW, you could get them all, yes? Where would you put them? Putting them back in the store will do no good -- someone would inevitably repurchase. I'm sure there are enough of us that could create "storage" for them. It will be good for newbdom, and will save some of us the pain of seeing them in the BS (some of us don't wake up to find it empty, dahling!).

Continue on your path of camping/fighting. Consider it an experiment. Post your numbers once a month. Be the first to effectively prove your children can go to college, or Disney World, on your CB income. Yes, this will mean selling your cash but you don't have to do it in a "CB is my cash cow, give me your money!" way.

Do what you enjoy. Don't feel bad if you happen to make money doing it. It's not like that's what you are in it for, right? Intent makes all the difference. I know 'cause Oprah told me so. :)

AdminJonathan May 16 2005 3:34 PM EDT

/doesn't get it

Sefton is in the top 10 by score, so doesn't get reduced rewards from fighting anyone

is he just mad that he's no longer getting outsize rewards? because I know what my reply would be :P

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] May 16 2005 3:58 PM EDT

Yah Jon, sorry about any confusion there, I was only upset that I could not use the Blacksmith when the cue was empty and I used to camp the dern thing to find it as close to empty as possible, and often stay up way late in the evening, so the lack of gear would not affect my character while it Blacksmithed. My rewards are what they are, and no I am not complaining about them. What I was complaining about is if I were to use the Blacksmith to bump the gear as I wanted to (or in any real fashion) it would not change a single one of my fights for the better, and actually cause me less rewards. Normally I would just bump it anyway, even if it didn't change the fights, because I thought it was fun. Did that with the elbow, and it was a mistake. Now I have to consider fun versus functionality, and it bums me out. I can honestly say thats the only reason I ever played the game was to have fun. Had no other true goal. So instead of finding one aspect of the game or another aspect fun, I found a bunch of them fun. As with everything I do and enjoy, I tend to do well. So I used to camp, fight, post, and bump my gear and had a blast doing it. Now I fight and I post. And thus, the saddeness.

Mistress Reyna May 16 2005 4:40 PM EDT

heya papa, please dun leave us, youve been sweet and a big help since day one of the cb time i have started and you should stick to the morals that youve instilled in the cb comunity, step above the problems that have been cause and raise yourself to the challenge of being the best on cb2. we look to you as a source of inspiration seeing you as a powerhouse and able to keep that up without the use of usd or stupid methods and still wielding huge butt weapons and gear. Dont go, dont walk down the path of usd walk down the path of Sefton, of papa bear, continue to be the inspiration youve been and help those who luv ya and those who need luv as a newbie or as a olf friend of virtual family.

Ascent May 16 2005 7:37 PM EDT

Seft: How much does your tattoo add to your PR? What if you took that one off and started over with a base (level 20) tatt -- I imagine that would drop the heck out of your PR, and probably make things a lot more challenging :) Maybe even try out a different kind of tatt.

[SoV] Shiv [/me Forge Stuff :D] May 16 2005 8:01 PM EDT

forget all that nw crap, try a new strategy which isn't heavily relied on material items. Challenge yourself and others to look for another strategy that might work and give it your best in that regard! As for your items and Gyaxx just loan them out until you have collected your new found thoughts and gathered enough courage to start a new char. A char with near 0 nw and with alot of strategy and power behind it. Step out of your comfort zone and remake the name of "Sefton".

Duke May 16 2005 8:15 PM EDT

You can pay my debt that will be a good deed to make with your cash.

QBsutekh137 May 16 2005 8:19 PM EDT

Sefton, I think you missed Jon's point...up your gear ALL YOU WANT and your rewards will NOT CHANGE. You are top ten, so just stay there. Are you saying if you pumped all 7 million into that ELB you wouldn't be able to beat those last couple of opponents? Is that not important to you? And if not, why are you fighting at all?

And in answering my previous post, you have answered yourself...sort of. If you love camping so much, just camp. What are you complaining about? It sounds like not only do you want to keep on with your precious camping, you want the results of that camping to be what YOU choose. Cake and eat it too. If camping trips your alarm, why do you care about buffing your character?

Dude, I just have to say that more and more there are a couple themes you seem to be pining about: you want all of the things you do to be advantageous -- camping, gearing up, high score, great rewards..., and you want it all to stay that way forever. Well, OK, I am going to complain about things in terms of my character, and here is the way I want things to be:

"I have the perfect character, Jonathan: enchanter, tank, and mage. I have them underpinned by a nice generic ToE that helps the whole team. I also used to have Most Battles Challenged and was in a 10-15% clan. But I still was barely Top Ten. Not fair. Just not fair. How could I be more balanced? I woke up this morning and said, "My team is perfect. Wouldn't change a thing." Yet I lose. Really, what's the point?"

How does that sound?

I have a very simple answer to your quandary. Do what you enjoy. If you like camping, then camp. If you like having massive NW, then have massive NW (it won't hurt -- you are Top Ten). And if you want Top Score, then uberize like crazy via any means necessary and lunge for the top. Take a screenshot. Do what you want to do. It's a game and is meant to be fun. It is also meant to change and be balanced.

So your net worth got valued in a different fashion. Wanna go blow for blow on how many times my PR has come to mean less or a game change meant I had to unlearn something and lose PR? (mainly on CB1, but the point is still valid). That's the game. NW is now no longer immune from that fact.

Welcome to Carnage Blender. I hope you stay.

Lumpy Koala May 16 2005 8:26 PM EDT

Just sell all your bloody stuff for USD and change your char to a NW independent mage team :P Donate those USD to me or any charity organization who needs it :)

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] May 16 2005 8:27 PM EDT

Actually, I just realized something. I am just going to do what I enjoy doing. I am going to camp, bump, fight and post. If it wrecks my character so be it. I am going to find the next available Blacksmith opening and add net worth to my gear that will most likley do nothing but add PR (and make me smile). Im going to buy even more BA and spend more time fighting and camping than I ever did before the new cap. I am going to get gear from store sell it for CB2 $ and make my gear larger and larger. So, basically, although I will change my strat based upon the game and how it is played, I won't change how I play the game. When that is no longer fun, well I will cross that if I ever get there.

So thank you to all who posted honest and good suggestions (and the encouragement as well). I don't think I am the only one that was feeling troubled by the change, perhaps there are suggestions in here to help them figure out what to do next, worked for me. And also a special thanks the the CB vets who chatmailed me the proverbial Douglas Adam's "Don't Panic". Made me realize it was my choice and fault for not taking that Blacksmith window when I had the chance, and the reason I should have just taken it is because I think that is fun. Which is why I play the game in the first place.

BrandonLP May 16 2005 8:30 PM EDT

Yee-haw! Go get 'em Sefton!

NSFY May 16 2005 10:54 PM EDT

Well good! Looks like my work here is done.

/dusts off space in front of nick for forthcoming QB title
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