Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith Discussion (WARNING! SPOILERS WITHIN!) (in Off-topic)

Ascent May 18 2005 6:04 PM EDT

This'll give people a place to discuss specifics of the movie after they've seen it that some people might not want to know. I know with LOTR there were some pretty unhappy people when other people posted this or that about the movie and they hadn't seen it yet, so hopefully this post and the other one will pre-empt all that pain for those who don't like spoilers. :)

Will [Retired] May 18 2005 6:13 PM EDT

Did u know the princess turns out to be a man...
...and they ditch their light sabres for Vorpal Blades instead...
...and Ja Ja Binks sells out to advertise Nike trainers...
...and 'the force' works like a.m.f...
...and the Empire is found to be controlled by some strange expositfacto character...
All very spooky :S Run and hide!

maulaxe May 18 2005 6:37 PM EDT

hehe "spoilers" - i think I have seen for too many spoofs/parodies/plot-humor about star wars that I am already spoiled beyond the point of no return.

same with LOTR, I can't read/watch/talk-about the real ones without polluted images making me grin like a maniac... its horrible really

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 18 2005 6:45 PM EDT

Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me how the droids get memory wiped.

And does Chewy meet anyone from eps 4,5 & 6?

Mem May 18 2005 10:11 PM EDT

Chewie meets Yoda, but no one else from the 'good' trilogy.

Nixon Jibfest May 18 2005 10:13 PM EDT

I hear George Lucas make a cameo appearance.

Reebok May 19 2005 4:29 AM EDT

I just got home from Star Wars. Midnight show baby!

R2-D2 never got wiped, C-3PO did. It wasn't explained why, but I'm guessing because it/he was built by Anakin.

I'd have to say it this movie pretty much made up for the first two.

Commence Plan 66!

Ascent May 19 2005 11:13 AM EDT

It was handled near the end when Senator Organa told someone to "take very good care of the droids, and wipe the protocol droid's memory."

I think it was for a variety of reasons... R2 knows when to keep his mouth shut, for one... 3P0 always says the wrong thing at the wrong time, or you certainly get the impression that he might. Also, he knew too much -- to protect the secrecy of the "twins" it had to be that way. R2 wasn't going to spill the beans, and even if he did, no one would understand him. ;-) Being built by Anakin probably didn't hurt, either.

As I said in the other thread, I liked the movie. And yeah, I think it made up for the last 2 as well.

Frod May 19 2005 11:20 AM EDT

I haven't seen the movie yet, but in the book, Bail Organa says, "Take care of the droids."

C3PO starts babbling about how he has so much to tell Leia about her mother, and then Bail orders his memory wiped. :-)

It's left unclear whether R2 was wiped as well, but there's nothing I know of that indicates he wasn't--everything he says in ANH can be traced to the message Leia records, AFAIK.

Undertow May 19 2005 1:48 PM EDT

I think R2 didn't get his memory wiped because there was no point. He could walk up to someone and say "So, check this out, Anakin is Vadar, and his kids are living here and here. Find them, kill them." But it would just come out as "Bleep bleep, bleepidty bleep bleepness, and bleep blidiblipity." Not much of a threat.

There were so many little things in the movie that made me laugh my ass off.... by myself. Little things I thought were funny that no one else got.

My favorite was Paddy, when she's getting on the ship to go find Anakin, and the captain wants to go with her. "I'll be alright, I have C3P0."


When has C3P0 ever made sure anyone was all right. I can't think of a single good thing that C3P0 has ever done in any movie. He was comic relief to the highest level. "Hang on my lady, it will be okay, I'll just parlay with this Sith Lord." "Screw you C3P0!" ::uses him as a droid shield.::

Another good one was where Yoda walks in on Palpantine, takes one look at the gaurds and they DROP. Yoda = badass yo.

What I DIDN'T like was the last straw on Anakin going to the dark side. "OMG, I just cut off Mace Windew's hand.... oh well, I pledge my allegiance to the dark side. Let's go kill some KIDS!"

Reebok May 19 2005 3:07 PM EDT

I agree, Undertow, the kid killing was a bit much. Although, he had been fighting "Dark Side" urges for as long as we've known him (besides when he was an annoying piece of crap 6 year old). I'm sure once he started fully down the path to the dark side he just gave in to everything, realizing what Palpatine said was true. The further he slipped into the Dark Side, the stronger he would become.

madmax3 May 19 2005 4:46 PM EDT

personally i thought vader's "Nooooooooooooooooo" to be hilarious, I still can't believe they left that scene in.

Ascent May 19 2005 4:57 PM EDT

Yeah, that end scene of Vader's NOOOoooo was right up there with the love scenes in the "man, this is painful" department.

According to the Making Of book I briefly looked at today, I believe it mentioned that some scenes with Portman were going to be re-shot. Perhaps those just didn't quite make it into the movie. What did was awful. I could even stand HC's parts, but Natalie Portman should've stopped at the top of her career (see: The Professional) and gone on to do something else with her life. Oh well. :)

Undertow May 19 2005 6:39 PM EDT

I don't get it, I didn't have any problems with the acting. Everyones complained about that stuff with all 3 movies. And others too, but I seem to be immune to bad acting. It's a gift ;)

I liked the way as scenes went on and on, the clones looked more and more like storm troopers.

I think it's so weird though, how the technology this movie (the star fighters, the droids, the... well... everything.) was so much better...... than the next three. I know, I know, movie tech. But it's weird.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 19 2005 6:40 PM EDT

So when exactly did Obi own R2 for a while? In the up coming mini series?

And why didn't Vader think to look for at least one of his kids at his aunts and uncles place?

He didn't even station any troops/spies to keep an eye on his family...

Undertow May 19 2005 6:54 PM EDT

Vadar was told he killed Padammeme ( I can't spell her fricken name.) do you actually think he has kids. I pretty sure it's just that once Luke comes around, he figures things out. That lends a little more insight into why he double crosses the dumb old guy too. Cuz he figures out that he was lied to.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 19 2005 7:24 PM EDT

It always seemed to me that it was implied Vadar knew he had kids, but just didn't know where they were (And he would kill them/twist them to the dark side if he did).

I've not watched Empire in a while, but isn't it Vadar who lets Luke know he has a sister?

Undertow May 19 2005 9:15 PM EDT

How would he ever know he had 2 kids? I think I remember that too. But she didn't find out she had twins till she was giving birth.

Reebok May 19 2005 9:25 PM EDT

Note how Padme was buried at the end of the movie. She had her hands over (the rather large for having already given birth) bulge in her belly. I think there was some cover up there to hide their birth.

Undertow May 19 2005 9:37 PM EDT

I think, speculation here:

When someone gives birth it takes time for the tendons and the skin to stretch back to a normal size belly. But if the body is dead, it's not gonna bother.


I've sent a message asking a friend who works in a morgue about it. But considering the remove the organs and pretty much pack crap in their place, the might just fill the womb with something. For some reason, I think of shredded news paper.

SBW May 19 2005 9:38 PM EDT

George Lucas probably didn't think of any of this -.-

Frod May 20 2005 7:38 PM EDT

I've not watched Empire in a while, but isn't it Vader who lets Luke know he has a sister?

No--Ben tells Luke when he returns to Dagobah in RotJ.

Vader finds out by reading his thoughts while Luke is hiding.

Devil Burrito May 20 2005 10:14 PM EDT

Oh God Yes, I love this movie :P

I loved the part where the little jedi popped out and was owning him some clone troopers.

The funnest part I thought, was when Yoda walked in to the sith lords chamber and the guards started to move then BAM. Force Blast baby.

Also enjoyed Yoda hoping on the wookie's ( Chewy im assuming ) shoulders

Frod May 21 2005 8:05 PM EDT

Yep... I saw it in a half-full theatre; I don't think there were any hardcore SW fans in there. The only scene that got a reaction from the "crowd" was Yoda dismissively thumping the Crimson Guards. That got quite a laugh. I wonder if it was intentionally funny.

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] May 22 2005 12:52 AM EDT

I enjoyed reading the thread here. I have to add one question of my own though. Maybe no one knows for sure, but when Windu (I hope that's spelled right) is fighting the Sith Lord, is the Sith Lord intentionally losing? Because I find it interesting that Yoda was beaten down while Windu actually won in no time. Was Windu truely the greatest Jedi warrior ever shown in the films then? Sure, he wasn't the wisest or most thoughtful since he didn't find it strange Anakin was there. But this has been bugging me. Anyone remember seeing or reading anything about this?

Frod May 22 2005 12:59 AM EDT

Per the book, he is the most powerful Jedi when fighting Sith lords, as he developed a fighting style specifically to counter the Sith, tapping into a bit of the Dark Side himself without allowing it to consume him.

Mistress Reyna May 22 2005 1:00 AM EDT

>< And in walks the lady ><
alright personal perspective the killing of the younglings was a bit harsh, made a few people cry, i thought it was brilliant, what other way to say hey VADER=EVIL then to slaughter some kids. The crimson guard yoda scene got a laugh but more so when yoda went up on chewy's shoulders, kinda reminded me of Stitch in his own, not blue or fuzzy way. I felt there was too many love story drags which could have easily been squezed out

Who noticed the irony of anni's dreams?
He went to the dark side to save padi, and she dies of heart break, awww that was slick.

those are my thoughts

>< the lady leaves ><

Xanthochroid May 22 2005 2:40 AM EDT

Nobody made mention here that the Emperor is Anakin's father. Nobody knows this, of course, but Palpatine mentions that his master could create life from the midichlorians in someone's body.

Anakin was a virgin birth and had an extraordinarily huge amount of midichlorians in his body. That said, the Emperor also has an extensive knowledge about the Light and the Dark side, so he of course would know about their prophecy about one being chosen to lead the Light side to victory.

Palpatine said his master taught him everything he knows, including, I'm speculating, how to create life. He had everything planned from day one. The only thing he didn't count on was Anakin being turned into Darth Vader, giving him an immunity to force lightning. I read that in one of the books that Vader could not use force lightning due to his arms being artificial. Somehow that makes him immune... could be the rubber suit? Who knows.

I wanted to see JarJar killed. Why couldn't they of given us a 2 minute segway where JarJar is attempting to save a Jedi, or fight off some Clone Troopers? Also, we got no closure on the other senators that stayed with Palpatine. None of them were in the original trilogy, so they must've been killed along the way, or at least exiled.

Frod May 22 2005 4:12 AM EDT

Nobody made mention here that the Emperor is Anakin's father.

I've heard this speculated before, but I've never really seen anything to back it up.

Nobody knows this, of course, but Palpatine mentions that his master could create life from the midichlorians in someone's body.

Actually, he only says that Darth Plagueis could do this, not that he himself was Darth Plagueis's apprentice. He does mention that Plagueis lived during the time of one master/one apprentice, but that's (IIRC) about a 1,000 year window. He also tells Anakin that together they could rediscover the ability, implying that he doesn't know how (but of course, at that point in the movie, he's already lying through his teeth).

On the other hand, he does get a little misty-eyed when he says that Plageuis's apprentice killed him, so you may be right.

The only thing he didn't count on was Anakin being turned into Darth Vader, giving him an immunity to force lightning.

I'm pretty sure it was Sidious's force lightning and not the loss of his hand plus a shoulder wound that did Vader in in RotJ.

I read that in one of the books that Vader could not use force lightning due to his arms being artificial

Interesting.... I hadn't heard that, but I haven't read too many of the Expanded Universe books.

Also, we got no closure on the other senators that stayed with Palpatine. None of them were in the original trilogy, so they must've been killed along the way, or at least exiled.

The Senate continued to exist until the opening scenes of A New Hope, in which Vader notes that the Senate has now been disbanded. Interesting question, though... I suppose Vader and Sidious had enough time to remove any troublesome Senators that weren't sly enough to keep their activities hidden.

Plus at least one Senator became part of a newly-formed asteroid field in the first movie (assuming he was still alive at that time...)

AdminShade May 22 2005 8:41 AM EDT

saw it yesterday digitally wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

Aco May 22 2005 3:32 PM EDT

no one said anything about general Greavous (what's the name) yet.
4 arms, artificially controlled and still getting chopped up easily was a bit wussy part :C.

Wasn't the emperor pretending he was losing when fighting Windu? I mean, he probably knew Anakin would come to him, so he would make it seem like he was being overthrown by the Jedi

[-war-] May 22 2005 3:58 PM EDT

I don't like lightning, just make some arms that can shoot lightning and there u have it, darth vader shooting lightning. Light sabres are all that matters and being able to move objects/choking people to death.

Undertow May 22 2005 4:48 PM EDT

A lot of the stuff in this thread has really turned into speculation, let's try to bust it with some fact.

In the first movie, we meet Annie's mom, and I thought I remember her saying something about their father. And it wasn't "he's rising in the ranks of politics."

Also, I seriously doubt the emporer was Darth Annie's dad, that would be way Springer, Lucas, at the end of RotJ.

Ascent May 22 2005 4:58 PM EDT

Re: Darth Sideous being Anakin's father...

In the book, "The Making of Star Wars, Episode III - Revenge of the Sith" one of the early script revisions has the emperor/Darth Sideous tell Anakin that he "willed him into being" -- manipulated the midichlorians to bring him about. So it's not all just speculation. That was removed from a later revision of the script.

Devil Burrito May 22 2005 7:14 PM EDT

Anyone care to enlighten me to if Obi-Wan spent all the time between III and IV talking to his Qui-Gon or not? :P

I watched most of IV yesterday. I thought it was great how luke asks of his father and they stur and look at each other.. but why if they wanted them to be split up and kept "secret", Did Obi-Wan just tell luke about his father being a jedi?

Also, Vader didnt look to good with a lightsaber in 4. :P

Another Question, why was grevious coughing thoughout the whole movie? Isnt the only 'organic' partys of him his heart and eyes?

AdminShade May 23 2005 3:29 AM EDT

Aco May 23 2005 9:39 AM EDT

yes shade, how usefull....

AdminShade May 23 2005 10:27 AM EDT

just look at the top word:

Rots (revenge of the Sith)

QBsutekh137 May 23 2005 11:30 AM EDT

I have to admit, there was some tight closure there (and I am anything but a Star Wars fan).

I like Reyna's point of Padme's death being a bit of a chicken/egg thing... I think that punctuates the whole prequel trilogy nicely, as it shows there was really no way to prevent the "birth" of Darth Vader.

About the only part I had a problem with was the quickness with which Anakin went from almost helping Mace stay strong and just arrest the Chancellor to saying "sir ues sir" and going off to kill Jedi younglings. I guess when someone snaps it can be that fast, but it seems like he completely folded awfully quickly. Then again, I cought AofC last night on TV in part, and found the Tusken raider portion helped explain. Anakin kills off women and children in that raider camp, so he definitely has it in him. However, killing Raider children is sort of different than killing Jedi children.

Maybe having Sidious be Vader's "father" would have helped me buy that part more, though that is really putting an awful lot on the Emperor. I know he is evil and all, and that he engineered most everything, but at some point you have to stop attributing every single machination to the Sith, no?

Anyway, I have to say it was an OK flick. Theater was pretty lifeless though, it seemed, except for Yoda's force shove taking out Sidious' guards. That gave everyone a laugh.

Aco May 23 2005 2:17 PM EDT

everyone seemed to laugh about that part, but in the theatre I went everyone loved at the "I'll be safe, I got C3PO to protect me"

Devil Burrito May 23 2005 9:22 PM EDT

Just saw it again :)

Devil Burrito May 23 2005 10:45 PM EDT

"I like how in Episodes II and III Anakin reminds Obi Wan how he saved him in the books that are supposed to be what happened in between the movies" - Memnot

Thought it was neat

Xx|Hero|xX May 25 2005 9:22 PM EDT

Best STAR WARS...the BEST!

Xiaz on Hiatus May 25 2005 9:38 PM EDT

Yeh, the Anakin Skywalker > Darth Vader transition was a far too quick.

But he's always had that hate and anger bottled up, maybe he just "erupted." Ha! A pun!

Mem May 25 2005 9:43 PM EDT

That is pretty interesting isn't it Devil Burrito?

MudBug The Redeemer May 25 2005 11:07 PM EDT

Now, I haven't read the books, so maybe i was expecting too much in the little info I have. I was really gearing up for a young Fett to take out Mace since we all know what happened to his daddy. Why hype up Jango's death so much in ep.2 If you're not gonna do squat with it?
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