Vorpal vs BoT (in General)

trigun June 21 2005 7:10 AM EDT

which is better?..in the long run...^_^

trigun June 21 2005 7:10 AM EDT

or in the short-term?^_^

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 7:16 AM EDT

What do you want from a weapon? Do you want more damage or to live longer, which should give you more chance to do more damage....

And the BoTh's VA is unaffected by DM which is very very useful when so many people use that particular enchantment...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 21 2005 7:18 AM EDT

Long term, VB. Cutting AC/Protection/Endurance in half is massive.

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 7:25 AM EDT

In the long run there will be more use for the VB but there will also be more people who plan their strats knowing that they will be facing it. Is there much point to a large protection for instance when the VB cuts it in half? Protection already had DM to contend with, the two together make it next to useless.

Unfortunately there is only one sure way to answer your question trigun, and that's to try out both weapons. Looking at your strat both would be useful to you. You have to ask yourself one other thing though - do I stick with what is working for me now and plow my money into my existing weapons, or do I spend loads of money on a BoTh and then have to spend even more bringing it line with where I am?

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 7:28 AM EDT

Also for a similar price to the BoTh you could buy an ELB which might be a lot more use to you than the compound you currently have....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 21 2005 7:36 AM EDT

Vorpal Blades s are much cheaper than BoTh s as well...

Manta June 21 2005 8:25 AM EDT

If your battles are long (and the AMF + ToJ + MgS + the massive amount of HP on the tank seem to point in that direction), BoT (maybe together with BL instead of archery) is better than vorpal (IMO).
However, a base BoT is expensive, and therefore, in the short-term, a vorpal is better (unless money is not a problem).

trigun June 21 2005 9:15 AM EDT

im comparing a 1.5mil nw Vorpal and Chocolate Thunder's 1.5mil nw BoT..at the moment..my wall-turned tank is not doing much on the str and dex department hence less damage and less leeching of life..but once it goes up..will it make that much a difference? and my compound is ~3.5mil nw by the way..hihi thanks guys..keep the suggestions and opinions coming..^_^

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 9:21 AM EDT

LOL, sorry Trigun I hadn't noticed how much st/dx your tank had. At those levels you really aren't going to notice the difference very much between the two weapons. Suffice to say - and obviously - with the BoTh (or Morg) the harder you hit the more HP you will leech. I prefer the VA weapons personally - my view is if your tank is lasting longer he will do more damage anyway...

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 9:25 AM EDT

Of course there is another option - start using VA on your team and hey presto a cheap alternative to a BoTh.....=)

QBRanger June 21 2005 9:26 AM EDT

And DM nukes your VA.

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 9:27 AM EDT

Yes, unfortunately DM is the problem. And back we go to the bonus VA feature being so cool because it is unaffected by DM.

Round and round and round he goes.....

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 9:29 AM EDT

And back I come, I keep forgetting to type things that I'm thinking....

If you can avoid DM teams -- er um maybe not --- then the one big bonus of using VA on your team will be that your Tattoo will also benefit.......

Manta June 21 2005 9:36 AM EDT

Against other ToA or single tanks, or ToJ, your tank will not even hit (correct me if you noticed otherwise): BoT or Vorpal are equally useless. Things are even worse when the opponent uses DBs.
However, against enchanters and mages it can be useful.
Against enchanters (low armor and no ToE), BoT is plainly better than vorpal.
Against mages, it depends, but I think that BoT is better for you.
Anyhow, with your low str and dx, the difference is not that much.
By the way, since against tanks your tank has little hope of hitting anyhow, I would recommend not to raise your DX more than 100K (that should give the maximum amount of hits against minions with base DX).

Manta June 21 2005 9:39 AM EDT

Johnnywas, I think that AMF is much more deadly against him than DM, since most of his damage is done by the mage.
And if he has to avoid both DM and AMF, it would not remain much to fight for him.

QBsutekh137 June 21 2005 9:59 AM EDT

Long term, I would say BoTH. Lower upgrade costs will mean more massive hits, even with the VB's halving abilities. I am talking WAY long term, as in x110 and x120 weapons.

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 10:20 AM EDT

Manta, AMF is a big problem for Trigun but he also has one of the biggest ToJ's in the game. VA if it isn't killed by DM benefits a ToJ as much as any other tank minion.

QBJohnnywas June 21 2005 10:22 AM EDT

Sorry Manta, misread your misreading of my original comment. I was being a little sarcastic when I said he should avoid DM. Starting to get a little bit impossible at higher levels to avoid that!! =)

LumpBot June 21 2005 12:12 PM EDT

I think people keep missing on big thing here. BoTH might do more damage but halving AC/ToE is so much more when you're battling 200+ AC minions. That halving is going to help you do substantially more damage than the BoTH. The life gain is just too little now with DM around. It used to be great combined with VA but VA is almost always destroyed.

Manta June 21 2005 12:41 PM EDT

At least I think we can all agree that until his tank grows, he's better off with a Vorpal, since the tank is not dealing much damage anyhow, and thus there is no point in spending a lot of money for a (near base) BoTH.

In the long run we are all dead...

On the other hand, I am curious: why are you using MM instead of CoC?
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