How well does the axbow work? (in General)

LOL, well, my first post was all formatted bad and a screwup, the second one was the exact same thing and by accident, and since they both got accidentally deleted, here is my third try at this conversation:

I'm posting to see if anyone knows more than me on the axbow. I use
one, 4x40+40, and enjoy having something other than the 'required tank' weapon of an ELB, even if my damage ain't 1/10 what they deal. Anyway, back on track, I was trying to figure the damage they deal. Examining battles, I noticed this one:

Shiraha hit Spongebob Squarepants [15388]
Spongebob Squarepants looks clumsier!
Shiraha hit Spongebob Squarepants [12351]
Spongebob Squarepants looks clumsier!

Shiraha shot Spongebob Squarepants [12970]
Spongebob Squarepants looks clumsier!
Shiraha shot Spongebob Squarepants [11182]

You'll notice I took out his actions to since they're unneeded. But what you can clearly see, is that his char reaches 0 (or base of 20, whichever
it is), after 3 shots from my weapon. When you look at his char, you see this tank had 71,548 DX to lose. That seems like a significant amount of dexterity he lost, at least to me.

Before Jon's last change to the axbow formula, I remember it as being
for every 4 points of x, you increased the DX drain 1 point. Now, I took 3 shots and the fourth didn't drain cause he had no DX left. I guess my
question is, does this mean my bow drains almost 25k DX a shot? Was that 10% (from my x40), which would have been around 7200 first shot, plus a static number of say 20k DX per shot? I just made that number up, but anyway, what do you guys interpret this as?

On a side note, that character is Endeavor, owned by Independenz.

And I remembered my other question I had. I never have gotten my axbow to triple hit. I was under the impression that you could achieve double hits through a large DX advantage, and that then your + on the weapon could lead to triples. I thought the +40 would have given me a 40% chance at hitting three times, but I haven't seen that happen once in all the battles I've inspected range. What's up with this?

With some testing, I've found out a little. It's hard to reproduce that battle, since I don't seem to get that many battles where I hit him 4 times. Anyway, of the 3 times that has happened recently, 1 time he was more clumsy all 4 times, and in two of the battles he had lost all his DX by shot 4. So it must be either be right on the line, or perhaps the DX drain is random.

My theory, bad as it may be, and based off one glance, is that not only does the axbow drain dx equal to 1/4 the x, but at the same time drains dx equal to damage dealt. Before or after armors or reduction, IDK, just a guess. It probably just worked out that way for the one battle I was examining, but it's my hypothesis nonetheless.

If people could help me by attacking my team, and then posting here with your DX before, after, and how many times and how much you got shot in ranged, that would be great. Any volunteers? I wanna see just how effective an axbow really is.

A/EXbows where changed to also reduce a direct amount of Dex/Str in addition/instead of the percentage they drain.

About those triple hits: I'm using an axbow on Endeavor too, so your DX advantage won't be that big against me.
Nevertheless, I've never had a triple strike with my axbow as well.

You need at least +50 before you can start seeing triple hits, I have found. Thats usually the same with all weps. There has already been a lot of discussion about xbows already just after Jon changed them. I have made a few threads and so has Shade, maybe go have a trawl through general and see if there is anything there? :)

Gentleman: yeah, that's kind of what I meant. What I'm curious is to what this direct amount is. I'm sure Jon didn't just choose a random number.

Independenz: It's kinda weird fighting you. Even though you rarely actually land a shot with your axbow, Shiraha only hits you 4 times in 4 out of 10 battles. Most of the time he only goes 3, maybe even 2 shots against you. Oh yeah, and sorry about using you as target practice.

Keep in mind that dexterity of your target at the start of the round is a major factor for triples. Since you're targeting the highest dexterity minion, you're not as likely to get doubles from just a dexterity difference - your second hit is likely from the + on your weapon. The triples on ELB's are due to hitting a dex 20 mage and a PTH bonus.

But that being said, the axbow is still a good weapon - mine in auctions would work nicely! (Shameless plug)

First of all, it's an honor to be your target practice. Second, you are forgetting that I use UC.
You don't hit me as often as a regular tank, because UC has a built-in Evasion which works
twice as good in ranged. :)

Thanks for the answers on the triple hits everyone. I'm glad I understand it a little better now. And I hadn't even noticed he had UC, Independenz. That is definitely why my guy has a hard time getting in all 4 shots.

That being said, anyone with a tank out there wanna give me info on a few battles? I just need to know how many times you were hit, how much, and how much your DX was before and after the battle. Thanks.

my comp is +42 and it gets triples all the time, but on enchanters + mages
.... so what's up?

Really Shattered? Because it doesn't matter who I fight, I never get triples. Whether it's a tank, or a mage or enchanter with 20 DX, I have yet to see it triple hit. I wouldn't think your extra +2 could be what causes it either. Perhaps this is another way Jon has made the bow superior to the xbow? I'll have to increase the + on my axbow as soon as I get the funds to figure this one out.

But as it is, it looks to me like not only do xbows deal far less damage through higher upgrade costs and lower base damage, they don't have a special skill that makes them uber, hit only 2 rounds max, and even perhaps have a built in limit of double hits only?

Shattered2Perfection recieves triple hits because he is using a ToA. If you remember, ToA now gives a 50% chance to extra hits. You are using a ToE which does not give you that bonus ;)

Ahh, very good point Spaceman. I didn't even think to inspect him for that. I guess I just plain old need more +. Case closed.

Still, no one that wants to attack me and tell me the number of shots I use and their start/end DX? Pretty please?

Stalker Vs. Morbo, puny human #1's starting DX is 136,016. He's hit for 74776 of damage and looses 128149 DX, just over 171% of damage, or about 4.28% per x (based on x40 and assuming no base drain)

Here's the play-by-play :

Post-battle stats
Minion		EXP		HP		ST		DX		AC		DI		Ammo
puny human #1		5,810		-92,995		127,468		7,867		0		5,569		56
puny human #2		5,808		-23,722		20		20		0		18,958

   Play-by-play MorboStalker

puny human #2 found no valid targets on which to cast Antimagic Field puny human #2 cast Vampiric Aura on puny human #1 (?)	Shiraha cast Antimagic Field on puny human #2 (0.94) Shiraha cast Vampiric Aura on Shiraha (?)
enchantment effects that cannot be determined before combat are displayed as '?'
Ranged Combat
puny human #1 shot Shiraha [3138] Shiraha looks clumsier!	Shiraha hit puny human #1 [19622] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Shiraha shot puny human #1 [18751] puny human #1 looks clumsier!
puny human #1 hit Shiraha [2431] Shiraha looks clumsier!	Shiraha hit puny human #1 [15594] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Shiraha hit puny human #1 [20809] puny human #1 looks clumsier!
Melee Combat
puny human #1 stumbled swinging at Shiraha puny human #2 takes damage from his own Decay (7144)! puny human #2's Decay hit Shiraha [9135]	Shiraha crushed puny human #1 [82409] Shiraha draws strength from his weapon! [25994] Shiraha crushed puny human #1 [57968]
R.I.P. puny human #1
puny human #2 takes damage from his own Decay (5801)! puny human #2's Decay hit Shiraha [9823]	Shiraha pulverized puny human #2 [48780] Shiraha draws strength from his weapon! [13879]
R.I.P. puny human #2

Thank you a ton MChaos, great numbers. Wow, anyone else struck by how that is a TON of dx to lose? Let me think:

He lost 128,149 DX total. This was from 4 shots. Just to test my theory of the new special number being from damage +1/4 the x. Working on my calculator, when I take his starting dx of (136,016 * .90) - 19622, then again *.90 - damage three times, I come up with a final dx number of 24903.7496. This is clearly wrong, so there goes that theory since it is off from the actual final dx of 7867.

Well, my theory isn't valid, but it is interesting to see just how incredibly effective an axbow does its job.

I was also really suprised that your axbow was draining that high a percentage of damage. Clearly I need to dump some more money into my axbow :)

Just had to say, I just noticed my first triple hit ever. In ranged, Shiraha my tank got: 5 / 5 / 10,888. Never seen him do that before. Guess it is possible.

Exbow and Axbow drains are 0.33% per X and then also a fixed number per X (could be anywhere from 300-1000)

I have tried getting the exact number but was yet unsuccessful

Interesting Shade, thanks. That made me decide to dig up my old dead theory again with the reduction being .33*40 plus damage dealt. Unfortunately it's still wrong, and after using it I got he should have had 15904.888 DX remaining. On a side note, that is very close to being double (2.0217) his actual DX. I imagine that's just coincidence however.

In an effort to find the formula, here is an axbow vs. axbow fight that someone could analyze. Even time I have looked, I have gotten 5 hits on puny human #1, and 4 "clumsier" messages against him.

Philip J. Fry is using a named Axbow x43+43. He starts with 201,884 DX and ends with 154,665 DX. So his two hits against me knocks me down 47,219, and in my first 4 hits I knock out all his DX.

Ranged Combat
Philip J. Fry hit puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [16719] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Philip J. Fry shot puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [21105] puny human #1 looks clumsier!	puny human #1 shot Philip J. Fry [11249] Philip J. Fry looks clumsier!
Philip J. Fry shot puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [22623] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Philip J. Fry hit puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [21134] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Philip J. Fry hit puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [20589]	puny human #1 hit Philip J. Fry [12387] Philip J. Fry looks clumsier!

And another:

This time Fry started with 201,884 DX and ended with 177,162 DX after only one hit.

Ranged Combat
Philip J. Fry hit puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [16502] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Philip J. Fry shot puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [24550] puny human #1 looks clumsier!	puny human #1 hit Philip J. Fry [14029] Philip J. Fry looks clumsier!
Philip J. Fry shot puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [23654] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Philip J. Fry shot puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [24082] puny human #1 looks clumsier! Philip J. Fry hit puny human #1 with A Banana Peel Shooter [18795]	puny human #1 missed Philip J. Fry

Sorry for the triple post, but I just got another battle with morbo where I was only hit once (for 15754 damage), but still ended with 177,162 DX. So damage inflicted does not seem to be part of it, unless it is capped.