GA/VA explained. (in General)

Hi all,


There have been a lot of questions lately about how GA and to a lesser extent VA works.

Its pretty straightforward once you know the inner working of it.

GA ONLY works up the HP your minion actually has as does VA. This HP is including any HP you get from your AS spell. By calculations GA returns about 53% damage.

Its best if I give examples of what this means.

Lets say you are the defender and are using GA.

Lets also assume for the sake of simplicity that your a one minion character with 100k hp.

These examples are assuming your fighting someone without DM. If you are, your effective GA level will be lowered by their DM.

First example:
Your GA is only trained to 50k.

If you get hit for 200k in one hit your GA only works to 50k so you do 50k x .53 or 26.5k damage to them with your GA.

If they hit you for 2 hits of 50k each youll do 26.5k x 2 or 53k back since it was done in 2 blows.

If you get hit for 100k in one hit your GA will only do 26.5k since its trained only to 50k.

Second example:

Your GA is trained to over 100k.

If you get hit in one hit for 200k, your GA will only do 53k since you only had 100k hp. Any "extra" damage is not used since it was overkill anyway.

If you get hit for 2 hits of 50k each, your GA will do 53k in total.

Now realize that DM will lower your effective GA level by the amount their DM is. So training a very high GA is best if your fighting high DM using opponents.

VA works the same but instead of doing damage, leeches HP if trained high enough and the enemy has enough HP left.

Hope this helps.

what if I get hit 50 k, and let's say I have 100 k GA ? How much is the return damage ?

Devillord.

that would depend on the hp left on that minion.

If you have 50k or more you'll do 26.5k. If you have less than the 50k and its the killing blow, you'll do 53% of the hp you have left.

Think of it this way. There are three things that can limit or cap the damage on your GA, your HP, your GA, and the opponents damage.

You can only return 53% of your GA in damage, that's one of the caps. You can also only return 53% of the HP you have remaining. Finally you can only return 53% of the damage you opponent does to you in one blow. Calculate all three of these in a given situation and take the lesser of the three.

I thought it maxed out at 60% of damage dealt, are you taking your armor into account?

I thought it was 40% personally. I was just going along with Ranger since he's probably done more calculation then me.

Best thing you should know is this:

GA will do it's thing and retaliate with 53% dmg until the last 2 hits land on your minion where in that round the minion dies. So what would happen is in other rounds the GA would work normal way, but in the last 2 hits the ga would only work on the first of the 2 last hits and on that first of the 2 hits the ga would only retaliate with amount of hp you have left. The last hit that lands on you, the GA would NOT retaliate because you are dead.


Here is one example:
This is the round where I am dead:

Thrash struck deep into Rat [28967] <--- first of last 2 hits
Rat's Guardian Angel smote Thrash (5867) <---- notice I did not do at least 14k dmg.
Thrash skewered Rat [20258] <----- second of last 2 hits, no ga working

Since I died in that round, I had only 5867 hp left so I did that much in retaliation I think? Anyways point is that GA wasn't able to go into full effect and retaliate with 14k dmg. The next hit the GA was not able to retaliate since I was dead. Now in previous rounds the attacks would just keep lowering my hp and the ga would retaliate with 53% dmg so if every hit was 100k I would retaliate with 53k dmg per hit until the last round where I would die.