When is a Deal not a Deal? (in General)

"A Deal is a Deal is a Deal"......

"GL, a PR post consists of both parties agreeing to terms. Which is fairly obvious, eh."

"since if you have arranged a deal in the Forging Services or FS/WTB forums, you might as well confirm it there instead of making a new thread here."


Can I have some Admin clarification here please? I felt no need, by the rules of both the FS/WTB and PR forum to confirm a 'by it now' deal with someone who has stated they are having connection troubles and would like all correspondence posted, and still being able to request Admin asisstence if required.

As for 'both parties agreeing terms", there are no terms to agree in a buy it now deal. It's been offered for a set price, I accepted. Both agreed, the deal is done.

I confirmed my deal more than once in the FS/WTB threads created.

When does a 'deal' stop being a possibility, able to be ignored by all parties and become a fixed arrangement?

Missed this...

"Regarding "private deals" confirmed here and elsewhere in the forum system: "

Confirmed elsewhere in the forum system.

Like a FS/WTB forum post?

A deal is when 2 people agree to 'something' in which that could be a trade / sale / contest / what ever.

If you have arranged a deal in forging services you dont have to necessarily post again in public record since it is already documented in forum. However in most FS/WTB threads there could be more items for sale and sometimes payment plans are part of a deal so then (due to the 2 day = thread close) you could make a public record of the deal.


If you do a 'buy it now' or any normal buy for what it matters on an item and the other person has connection problems then all you can do is wait with paying until the person has sent the item. (FS/WTB forum)

When a person however is really late then imo you should be able to cancel the deal yourself (still FS/WTB forum) because it is mostly an OFFER instead of a confirmed deal (which would be PR)

I myself would also look for other stores if at a store something would take too much time.

In other words:

If you have purchased something in FS/WTB forum and want to back out, it isn't nice to do but sometimes inevitable. Especially if it takes too long.

If you have a public record post, then both parties need to agree upon canceling the deal, because that deal is a recorded deal rather than an offer.

and:

"Regarding "private deals" confirmed here and elsewhere in the forum system: "


it could be FS/WTB but it could also be forging services or even another PR post.

Thanks Shade! :)

All that's cool, so would I be able (if I wanted to request it) to ask for Admin help with regards to my BIN purchase with 3D?

And in your opinion, where straight BIN items are on sale (No pp's no other deals), does the buyer still need to make a PR post and wait for acceptance from the seller, to be assued of admin intervention in the future, should it be needed?

If so, what is a BIN? Why even post them? If someone has offered to sell an item for X, then the first person to offer that X should get the item. No other deals, agreements or acceptances should be needed.

All that's cool, so would I be able (if I wanted to request it) to ask for Admin help with regards to my BIN purchase with 3D?

Don't know about the deal but perhaps i could look at it.



And in your opinion, where straight BIN items are on sale (No pp's no other deals), does the buyer still need to make a PR post and wait for acceptance from the seller, to be assued of admin intervention in the future, should it be needed?

In my opinion, if you do a BIN on an item for sale without a payment plan then no PR post should be needed as the payment of the item and the sending of the item should be done 'immediately' after the seller accepts it because of the buy it "now". Money shouldn't have to be sent before the item however imo.



If so, what is a BIN? Why even post them? If someone has offered to sell an item for X, then the first person to offer that X should get the item. No other deals, agreements or acceptances should be needed.

BIN = Buy It Now, pay a higher price to 'instantly' buy it... player A sells an item for a BIN and player x pays that BIN and receives the item. no other terms or whatsoever. but the BIN should indeed be 'NOW' otherwise it isnt a BIN.

In same terms it is like the BIN of a 'normal' CB auction, buy it now and receive the item within 5 minutes of paying it.

Btw: as this thread isn't a deal itself I took the liberty of putting it in general, where the other CB related questions belong :)

Hehehehe... I had to go to my "Threads Created" page to check where it had gone. ;)

"Money shouldn't have to be sent before the item however imo." Dude, usually, in my experience, no-one sends an item without getting the money first. ;)

Just to bring one more point up, from the PR forum policy;

"since if you have arranged a deal in the Forging Services or FS/WTB forums, you might as well confirm it there instead of making a new thread here."

Does this stand?

Since really, if you go back to the Taz sale by 3D, Wonderpuff (sorry if I've got your name worng) confirmed the sale in that thread. He didn't need to make a PR post on it.

That 3D didn't post again in that thread, and after withdrew the deal is a seperate matter.

But now, he's being asked to produce a PR post, which even the policies of the forum state as not needing.

Granted, what he's asking for is actually re imbursement of a withdrawn deal, which the admins shouldn't help with, but isn't it wrong that he's being dismissed for not making a PR post?

Yea but look at what happened to wonderpuff 3d "deal", 3d agreed with wonderpuff then wonderpuff took a loan to pay 3d and paid 3d the money for the tattoo I believe, and then 3d rejected it saying he found another deal and after all that, 3d still hasn't done the other deal and basicly screwed wonderpuff over.

"Money shouldn't have to be sent before the item however imo." Dude, usually, in my experience, no-one sends an item without getting the money first. ;)

True perhaps, but in the 'scene' of a BIN both players would need to be online so the sending and receiving should be fairly soon if not instant.



Just to bring one more point up, from the PR forum policy;

"since if you have arranged a deal in the Forging Services or FS/WTB forums, you might as well confirm it there instead of making a new thread here."

Does this stand?


Indeed would be no need to confirm it somewhere else if there are no strings attached. that 'rule' is just to prevent double postings imo.

/me carps the BIN sellers and points to auctions...

Yeah yea - "but maybe I'll get a better price if I...payment plans...USD..." ...YAWN...

Admin involvement, as always, will only ever result in a reset for the person breaking a deal made in Forums.

Since really, if you go back to the Taz sale by 3D, Wonderpuff (sorry if I've got your name worng) confirmed the sale in that thread. He didn't need to make a PR post on it.

That 3D didn't post again in that thread, and after withdrew the deal is a seperate matter.

But now, he's being asked to produce a PR post, which even the policies of the forum state as not needing.

Granted, what he's asking for is actually re imbursement of a withdrawn deal, which the admins shouldn't help with, but isn't it wrong that he's being dismissed for not making a PR post?



the fact that 3D didnt post is indeed a different matter but the deal is done, the money had been paid and 3D canceled a done deal, which would in fact be a legal reason to have him reset.

player 3D 'scams' player Wonderpuff and gets reset. the reimbursement is a friendly gesture from wonderpuff to prevent the resetting imo.

and as almost always i agree with G Beee

:) And so do I. I got a nice Single Slayer arrow instead, that I bought as a BIN from Auctions.

Not that I'm asking for a re-set, but I have yet to receive either my cash back, an explaination in any of the three threads or CM, nor the arrow in question from 3D. I'd urge anyone interested in his latest thread 'BIN: Toons' to look up the previous three before making an offer on his character.

Thanks Shade! So Wonderpuff didn't need a PR post then.

wonderpuff didnīt need a pr post indeed, it was already documented. :)

So what are my options for recourse?

Torches and pitchforks my friend. Burn him alive.

And he just logged in and finished ripping me off. Reset Requested. Also, he passed a bunch of cash to flipperkill to hide it. Worth taking a look at.

i believe the money to flipperkill was for a 5 mil loan flipper gave 3D