Lesser Tattoos (in General)

Will [Retired] September 26 2005 2:07 PM EDT

Hows about changing the equipping rules to allow two equipped at once?

They already gain less exp than normal tattoos, and are currently only useful for postponing the inevitable day when you upgrade to a 'full' tattoo. Im not entirely sure how much less experience they gain, but I think that it could be tweaked so that it is fair compared to 'full' tattoo users. Nothing else needs change (Ablative shield and other DEs for example), just increase the tattoo artist's fee to $100k for them to make it fair.

Im only suggesting this because currently ToBFs and RoSs are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. NOONE so far has created a successful but 'balanced' strat using these tattoos (I'll leave the discussion of that point to a later date!), and this would be a good fix. It would mean you could finally have the useful aspects of the ToBF for your strat, without having to design the strat around the ToBF.

I would love to hear some constructive criticism about this idea, and it would also change the subject from the droll "We hate the NUB!" threads that threaten to fill all the forums atm.

[EG] Almuric September 26 2005 4:43 PM EDT

"Im only suggesting this because currently ToBFs and RoSs are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. NOONE so far has created a successful but 'balanced' strat using these tattoos"


As to the two tattoos on one char, at first I thought it was a stupid idea. But then I got to thinking further...

What if the lesser tattoos were exactly half as good as a full tattoo? You could equip two of them (on separate minions), which would open up a whole new area of strategies.

The more I think about it, the more I like it. You'd be giving up significant AC on two minions, but it might make a TT strat (with two LToAs) of some sort viable. An LRoS along with DD familiar and AS. Two LRoEs (are there lesser RoEs?) to improve two minions more quickly.

I'm afraid it would mean a lot of coding on Jon's part, but I think there's something there.

{CB3}-HR22 September 26 2005 4:53 PM EDT

That would be really cool, but there are some big lessers out there that if you had 2 of them could be very powerful.

Will [Retired] September 26 2005 4:54 PM EDT

Yeah, thats what I was trying to say.... 2x Lesser = 1x Full

...and all the myriad of possibilities it would produce. :)

Will [Retired] September 26 2005 4:55 PM EDT

Wasted_Death - Thats why we have the 'Max Tattoo' thing...

Inferno September 26 2005 5:10 PM EDT

I'm loving this idea.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 26 2005 6:25 PM EDT

Great idea! :)

Relic September 26 2005 6:26 PM EDT

It would certainly help the cesspool of lessers that now exist and can barely fetch networth as a price.

AdminShade September 26 2005 6:27 PM EDT

this would make 1 character able to have 6 minions in effect, lots and lots of things to change:

rework on fireball damage
rework on amount of fighting rounds

and more.

[T]Vestax September 26 2005 6:35 PM EDT

A Lesser Tattoo of Endurance lvl 202,520 owned by AznGeo (CraZyR)
A Lesser Rune of Solitude lvl 144,220 owned by someone[2watchoverme] (Someone)

Exactly WastedDeath. As anyone can see the combination of the two largest lesser tattoos would be so overpowered that the game would simply break under the pressure.</sarcasm>

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 26 2005 6:51 PM EDT

Shade, limit it to a max of 1 familiar adding tattoo, period. :)

Special J September 26 2005 7:39 PM EDT

I like the idea as well, would develop a whole new set of strats.

But yes lessers must be halved in usefulness NOT level. And keep the XP growth the same as it is now.

Maelstrom September 26 2005 11:47 PM EDT

this was suggested before...

Might be interesting if we could equip a full tattoo with a lesser, possibly significantly nerfing the lessers.

! Love Barney September 27 2005 1:17 AM EDT

make a lesser roe

[SoM]CupofJoe [Peoples Bank of Carnage] September 27 2005 1:42 AM EDT

Or let Tattoos wear Runes. That'd be sweet

Or let Tattoos give piggy-back rides to Lesser Tattoos. That'd be sweet too.

Seriously though I like the previous ideas. I'm just being obnoxious at the moment

Will [Retired] September 27 2005 10:56 AM EDT

I don't think the lessers would have to be weakened further would they? They already gain experience at a slower rate, making them less strong/effective.

Maybe 2x LToEs would have to be tweaked to stop the endurance stacking, but even if it wasn't tweaked, the lower individual tattoo level would make them much less effective against high damage hits.

Two familiars would be much smaller than regular familiars, making them weaker against AMF. Having less HP would also make them die quicker. We already have in place a minion/familiar stacking system for Ablative Shield (-5% for the extra 5th minion), this would mean teams of 6 employing AS could be penalised an extra 5%? Just little changes here and there I think... but I wouldn't be the one having to code it all! :S

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] September 27 2005 11:03 AM EDT

If Jon allows two lessers on a char, then to even it out to have full tattoos be better still (rare), make it so you can wear body armor on the full tattoo wearer.

But hasnt this idea been brought up before? And i think i remember Jon shot it down because full tattoos would not be rare then. Or was it people wanting the tattoo artist to ink lessers into full ones?

Will [Retired] September 27 2005 11:06 AM EDT

I don't think I've heard this idea before... I heard the one about inking a 'lesser' into a 'full' though, that one belongs in the FORS section ;)
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