Idea: Keep NUB and no VUB, but NUB disadvantage (in General)
October 14 2005 8:42 PM EDT
well, as we all know NUB can be unfair and uncool in a way. But i've got this idea for NUBs....
how about NUBS cannot Forge quickly enough until they are vets? because the make easy money from fighting already.
And no veteran bonus, we are to veteran-ish for vet bonus :D
October 14 2005 8:45 PM EDT
When will we ever learn:
The NUB is NOT going away and is NOT going to change.
Either put up with it, or leave CB. It is as simple as that.
October 14 2005 9:09 PM EDT
The Matrix Revolutions
(Agent Jon) Why, Veteran? Why do you do it? Why go on about it? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it money? Or power? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for No.1 Char? Illusions, Veteran. Vagaries of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble Veteran intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the CB2 itself, although only my mind could invent something as abominable as The Nub. You must be able to see it, Veteran. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Veteran? Why? Why do you persist?
(Veteran) Because I Choose To.
My apologies if i have offended anyone.
October 14 2005 11:17 PM EDT
that was deep dude...
October 15 2005 11:16 AM EDT
What is the point of that. People who forge with a NUB are just plain stupid anyway. Why waste your chance to become a top player, when you could just forge after and have a bigger character.
October 15 2005 11:17 AM EDT
I am going to fight until my NUB runs out and then i might forge. I think that is the best way to use your NUB.
October 15 2005 2:41 PM EDT
Ranger's right. Everyone listen to him (this time) and be quiet now.
October 15 2005 2:51 PM EDT
Miniwave Ranger only.
October 15 2005 2:54 PM EDT
As opposed to Microwave Ranger, a tasty snack available from your all night petrol station. Wait for it to cool down before taking a bite....
October 15 2005 6:12 PM EDT
I'm not exactly sure where people get this idea that fighting is better then forging while you have the New User Bonus. It's also just as silly to assume that forging is better then fighting when you don't have it. The way it is set up neither is better or worse then in normal play.
It is only true that a person should probably build up some MPR first before they forge and that's about it. If you want to use the expiration of your NUB as the place marker then go ahead, but really there is no reason to believe that to some pivotal moment.
As for your idea, its rather unfair to anyone who is primarily interested in forging. The objective should be to allow people to forge or fight as they please and let them find out what they prefer to do most. Your plan would only force it to actually be the case that a person should fight for 4 months and then forge.
I think you should forge Vestax. you would be a very fast forger. :P
" I'm not exactly sure where people get this idea that fighting is better then forging"
It's generally accepted wisdom (based on testing in CB1) that forging with a character that's less than 100k is a waste of time because you get more money per BA spent fighting. Once you hit 100k mpr, the amount you can forge per BA is high enough that it starts to compete with fighting for earning $.
The NUB gives you a lager-than-normal amount of money and XP per BA so it makes economic sense to fight hard with your NUB then forge with your huge character once the NUB expires.
October 15 2005 6:25 PM EDT
I wasn't trying to say the forging is better the fighting in general. Just that having the bonus or not having the bonus somehow makes a difference.
October 15 2005 9:03 PM EDT
does anyone even know why you can't forge with a small mpr?
has anyone ever tried? I did it when I had my nub, and I did it when lost my nub, and I did it before I reached 100k mpr, and didn't notice any difference. Can someone actually prove to me that there is a difference? because I really don't think there is that much difference and I've heard the same from some other Forgers that got bigger characters with the intent to forge faster.
We'd need two base Items and forgers at their respective MPR levels monitor how many ba it takes them to raise the same item to 1 mil nw.
October 15 2005 10:29 PM EDT
Lower MPR uses more BA to forge the same NW on same item, because each BA spent per fight earns lesser, that's a known fact, Mikel.
However you are right about their forging power being almost the same because lower MPR has higher BA generation, so if everyone online as much like Vestax, they wouldn't notice much difference either, coz you didn't miss much of the BA per day. But for certain people who needs to sleep :P lower BA generation rate and higher BA impact on forge is essentially beneficial, thus leading to the misconception that high MPR is good to forge.
Another key factor to consider is the threshold of BA rate change.
Consider the scenario :
1) 10k MPR, BA rate is 10.
2) 70k MPR, BA rate is also 10. 70k MPR has higher forge impact per BA, so 70k MPR forges faster.
! Love Barney
October 16 2005 2:34 AM EDT
7 forges faster BUT you only get 7ba/10min
10 forged slower BUT you get 10ba/10min
Does the extra ba make up for a low mpr?
does anyone know?
October 17 2005 12:53 AM EDT
"that's a known fact, Mikel. "
And so was everything else so I was told when I started playing....
Do you have charts or data proving your theory?
I think that for most stuff unless you plan to forge past 1 mil it's the same amount of cycle for the same +.
October 17 2005 3:48 AM EDT
Firstly I am guessing that the NUB forge bonus is just a % more than usual. And that starting % is "?" (I don't know because I have never had it and I have never asked, plus its always changing)
A higher MPR will always forge faster than a low MPR. With the NUB and an MPR of 1000, the amount you can forge per BA will be a lot more than with out the NUB but it is still going to be only $20. An MPR of 350k will do something like $200 per BA.
Those were just guessed $ amounts but even if I am 50% wrong either way my point stands just as strong as before.
"Do you have charts or data proving your theory?"
No I do not, and am interested in seeing if the accepted wisdom is true. Perhaps taking a BoNE or MH from base to 3 or 4 (then from say 10 to 11) would be a good test. Try it with both x and +
You want to try and organize something Mikel? I volunteer as the "lowbie" (so long as only forging 2 sets of BA is ok) :-)
October 17 2005 11:00 AM EDT
I have done a little bit of research and found that NUB MPR of 20k makes more money per fight than me.
Didn't know it was that high. I am shocked and appalled!!!! But at the same time I am too lazy to give a stuff. :P
/me puts /me back in /me's place!
October 17 2005 11:05 AM EDT
One reason a NUB with a MPR of 20k can make more is that they can fight much higher in some cases. I suspect you cannot.
However, Jon took away 15% of the NUB to take into account the ease of fighting at lower levels.
So now instead of 175% its only 160%.
October 17 2005 11:08 AM EDT
shocking. another NUB scared of the VUB. shocking.
October 18 2005 4:03 AM EDT
Mega, what "newb" are you talking about??
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