OUB Old User Bonus (in General)
What are the chances of an OUB for those players that take time off from the game? This will allow them to get back into the game and have it more competitive.
I took some time off and am WAY behind now. Its almost not worth playing now.
October 26 2005 7:07 PM EDT
exacally the same for me TM.
October 26 2005 7:07 PM EDT
Forge and buy a new char.
This idea has already been suggested before. Not gonna happen.
Nah, not a good option. All that does is take another player out of the game.
October 26 2005 7:11 PM EDT
read through that. jon said he thought it was worth thinking about so i have my fingers crossed
Cool, cause it does suck to go away for a couple months, then come back to see everyone is three times the size they were, and you sit there without a chance in hell of catching up ;)
October 26 2005 7:58 PM EDT
maybe we should have an inactivity bonus :P if your account has not been logged onto for 4+ months then youll be flagged as inactive and your BA will build up pass the limit of 160 at 1BA per 10 minutes :P
October 26 2005 8:02 PM EDT
na that rewards not playing. the vet bonus or new char bonus should reward players only if they work hard just like the NUB does
Something simply like... after a period of 4 months or more of inactivity, they get 1 month with something equivilant to the NUB. And progress it at a 4:1 ratio thereafter. Being gone for 4 months is a much more severe blow to standing here than it was on CB1 :-P
October 26 2005 8:14 PM EDT
it doesnt reward not playing.. it gives the person that went on vacation or whatever a SMALL boost :P..
October 26 2005 8:18 PM EDT
i'd rather see a new char bonus instead of that. it solves the same problem and rewards people actually playing...
October 26 2005 8:19 PM EDT
and also adds an infinite amount of problems, hence why it has not been introduced..
October 26 2005 8:24 PM EDT
name me the problems smart guy
October 26 2005 8:51 PM EDT
a b u s e
October 26 2005 8:51 PM EDT
if it was flawless then whys it not implemented.. there are MANY problems that need to be addressed..
So...someone that has to leave the game for a while...lets say they get bored of it. WHY would they come back at all if they are now too far behind to play?
People invest a huge amount time and some even US$ into this game...if they do not continue to play each day they have thrown it all away.
The idea of having a OUB would possibly bring back some of the vets that left and make the game more competitive.
What about have normal money, but increase the XP bonus for the OUB.
The reason for this....any Vet that comes back is most likely gonna have all his/her items already anyway. Money is not what is missing in the equation when they come back.
This will then stop the OUB's from stopping and then abusing the money end of things.
TMDoc, welcome back.
But I don't like your idea. I'm in the same boat as you. Left the game for about 6 months which cost me a top 10 char and a few mil...
When I came back I had only 20k pr and maybe 10k.
Still don't have much more than that either.
But despite the losses a vet, even one who has left for a while, still has a HUGE advantage over newbs.
This is evened out mostly by the NUB.
If you're smart, you can buy a big char with a payplan.
Otherwise you can just set up a cheap strat and buy all your BA everyday, you'll catch up soon enough (well, not with the big guys, but they've been playing consistantly for the past few months, we haven't. It wouldn't be fair if it was easy for us to catch up).
Simply having a good knowledge of the game is all the advantage a vet should need to catch up. A newb however needs something like the NUB to have any hope of ever being competetive.
As far as the new character bonus goes.. All you'd have to do is fund it, maybe move some gear over, boost the MPR, and sell it. The market for characters would be thriving, but evidentally that's not something we want here... I guess because it'd be monopolized by the rich.
October 27 2005 8:54 AM EDT
MrC i think you could not be more wrong about this. think about it with NUB's skyrocketting past vets just isn't right. you guys are acting like this game should be either fight from day 1 or quit. should they're be no hope to start your own char (not buy 1 with USD) and if you work hard everyday never get to the top tier? is that good for the game? as far as char's selling umm sumo look around the only char selling well in cb2 history has been BCS and i feel if you work that hard on a char it should be worth alot heck if that's how a player can earn money by doing that every 4 months i say Good!! with usd in the game we need more ways to earn in game money.
"any Vet that comes back is most likely gonna have all his/her items already anyway "
Actually when vets leave they tend to cash out .. selling off all of their items and then selling the cb2 for USD .. most cases they even toss their character to the highest bidder.
"MrC i think you could not be more wrong about this."
Lol. When will people learn. I'm always right.
"you guys are acting like this game should be either fight from day 1 or quit. "
How is it fair if two people started on Jan 1st. Player A and Player B fight the same amount of battles averaging the same amount in rewards for the first few months, Player B then sells out and A keeps going. Six months later B comes back and despite A's hard work for months, catches up in only a matter of months when A is still fighting just as much?
That is not fair.
Don't pretend it is. It's not.
If you want the best chance at getting to the top, you have to not waste any more BA than you have to.
Whether that BA be wasted by not using it or by using it on a char that you will eventually sell.
If you started on Jan 1st, you've had equal opportunity as the top guys to make your char just as good as theirs. If you started later, you had the NUB, if you didn't take advantage of it then that is again your fault.
If there were to be a OUB it would not be fair to those that have worked tirelessly to build their characters.
October 27 2005 10:23 AM EDT
so... by your standards the NUB is not fair. we have a NUB why not something to allow vets who took a break/forged/camped the chance to get back in the race. time spent shouldn't be the biggest factor in the game. if you are happy being a lowbie forever fine but don't drag everyone in the same position as you down with you in your broad based it's not fair comments. alot of things in this game are to fair to the top 5
October 27 2005 10:37 AM EDT
'This will allow them to get back into the game and have it more competitive. ' TMDoc
Define competitive. Where do you want to compete? If you want it easy why are you wanting to be able to be more competitive? Ranger is sitting at the top, where he has been almost exclusively for months. But that comes at a price. He's had to use more BA than anybody else, getting online everyday of the week for at least long enough to use almost every bit of BA he can get his hands on. Then there's the USD that has gone into the char, keeping his eyes on the rising competition, tweaking the strat every so often to take into account changes to other peoples' strategies.
I've just changed strat after nearly 4 months butting heads with the same old opponents. I got myself into the top 20 and for one minute I made the top 10. Lasted exactly a minute.... But that was 4 months of down-click down-click every day of the week, probably for far more time than I should have spent on this game. Especially considering I was about to get married in the middle of that 4 months. And that work spent on this game wasn't easy. Fighting your way to a certain point, then getting pulled down again by people farming you. Looking for every advantage you can get - checking FS postings to see who was selling characters so I could add them to my fightlist. Ploughing all my CB cash into the chars and buying every last bit of BA.... It's hard work being competitive and you either burn out, get bored or give up. Plenty of people have.
But that's what you have to do to be 'more competitive'. Those NUB's who climb easily and quickly will soon find that they're not prepared for how hard those at the top are holding onto those positions. There is no easy ride for anyone...
October 27 2005 10:43 AM EDT
johny. as far as i'm concerned i just want to be in the mix. i don't think you quite understand the idea. all i want here with the idea i came up with is the XP of the NUB on all new characters so from what your saying if a person with the NCB is not ready to be in the top tier they will fall off
Would it not be a greater feeling of victory if the top guys were knocking off the Vets, rather than the NUB's.
The way some of you are talking is like we would want the OUB or VUB as I have seen it posted elsewhere is until our scores equal the top guys.
AND...how would buying all my BA each day get me into the top 10? If I remember correctly when I was ranked really high, thats what I was doing each day. Is that not what they still do?
By doing that, all I will do is maintain my distance from the top.
Now you top guys think of it this way. All the work you have put into this game and you have to leave say for family reasons. 1 month you come back to play and all the work you have done with your character has now gotten you a mediocre player. and NO chance of regaining your position.
Reality check MrC...there is NO chance to regain a decent position.
As for the NUB, its always nice to see them go flying past me.
October 27 2005 10:57 AM EDT
No, Mega I get ya. I understand the idea of making things fair for vets starting over new chars or coming back to the fold after time away. But where is 'in the mix'? At 20k score? 200k score? 600k score? 2 million score? A player can be competitive anywhere in those numbers.
I want to know what Anti-NUB/Pro User Bonus people think is competitive. What are people after - the extra XP, or the extra cash? Because that's not about being competitive. People just don't want to take the time to craft their chars. And that's cool. But that's got nothing to do with competition.
And yes, I do believe that some NUB's will fall off the top tier once their bonus runs out. Ranger is hanging on for dear life up there - and so he should otherwise he's just wasted most of the last 10 months on a 'game'! It takes persistance and time to stay up there once you arrive. You can build a char from scratch and start denting the top tiers in 3-4 months without a NUB - I did. It's a matter of how hard you want it. Some of those NUB's will stick around but they would have made it up there without it anyhow.
October 27 2005 11:06 AM EDT
well.. score is trivial lets go by MPR i think 10% of the top dog is good if you work very hard for 4 months like kitty for example.
"so... by your standards the NUB is not fair. we have a NUB why not something to allow vets who took a break/forged/camped the chance to get back in the race."
Vets have all had equal opportunity to get to where ranger is today.
Newbs have not.
Therefore, it is only fair if they are given something of a kickstart.
October 27 2005 8:40 PM EDT
"Therefore, it is only fair if they are given something of a kickstart. " if you call the NUB a kickstart then you obviously don't know the issues at hand
October 27 2005 8:50 PM EDT
The differences between then (Ranger's starting time) and now (Kitty's) are quite simple;
Fighting up in score/pr/mpr getting much better rewards than fighting down,
Instas with tattoos/weapons/armor/character,
and strategies already in place and well tested.
The times are not the same, it is already easier to grow in today's enviroment that the past's. So, the bonus has out grown it's nature and now allows those who take the potential of it to out grow EVERYONE, which will be evident when Kitty passes Ranger. We all see it coming, only time will prove what is needed.
Hi all! I'm sleepy but I still think my idea about slightly changing how the RoE gives XP could solve all these problems. :) I've an old thread on it (From about a week ago?)
October 29 2005 8:35 AM EDT
On a side note: I have been watching over the FS/WTB forum, and i have noticed there has been a lot more than normal, 'Quiting sales'. Any thoughts?
No point fighting if you're out of bonus time and not in the top ten.
Sell out, and maybe forge, or just chat/post and help all the new people that come.
Exactly. People keep stating how once you run out of the bonus, you've "had you chance; quit crying and move on". Ok...... Move on to what? Basically, what you say is true. If you don't make it to a relatively high position by the time the bonus runs out, quit.
October 29 2005 3:29 PM EDT
"well.. score is trivial lets go by MPR i think 10% of the top dog is good if you work very hard for 4 months like kitty for example."
10%? thats 90-100k. You can make that without the NUB.
October 29 2005 3:32 PM EDT
There is a system set up like this for Everquest 2, to stem addiction.
Something like, for every 24 hours you earn 100 OUB BA, that starts to accrue 12 hours after your last log in. It caps at 1000, or so.
The EQ2, there is a bar that fills up, with time that you get double XP, it fills when you don't play.
Same thing for rested XP in WoW. It's led my dad to level two characters at the same time. He plays one for a week, building rested XP on the other, then switches.
Not saying that's a good or bad thing....
I'm doing my best to keep my patience here... but Nightstrike, seriously, read the previous posts before you reply. It's getting annoying.
Listen to what Johnnywas said already "You can build a char from scratch and start denting the top tiers in 3-4 months without a NUB - I did." his char is proof of this. It can be done if you are not stupid... and of course, can afford to play reguarly enough.
And as for the whole giving up if you run out of your NUB. Come on, you don't seriously think every CBer is playing simply for a shot at the top 10?
Besides, if you're patient enough you can get there without it.
If you fight just as much as the top guys, you will eventually be at a close to even PR. Of course, the time it takes for this to happen is a lot more when you're starting 1 mil behind, but it'll happen if you hang around long enough.
And what is the point of my ramblings here?
Not everyone wants to reach the top 10, so stop saying that it's use every BA or quit. And if you run out of your NUB then you should quit.
The chase for the top PR is one thing in CB that is just about perfectly balanced. It takes a LOT of work to get there. But as the big guys have worked so hard to get there in the first place, it'd be unfair if it was easy for us. The point is though that you can do it, it just takes time.
Oh and as for your remark earlier about how I don't understand the issue at hand seeing as I call the NUB a 'kickstart'.
That is exactly what I view it as. I cannot see how you can logically call it anything else. Yes, even with hellokitty's char. The problem is that people seem confused, unable to look past the short term success easily achieved with the NUB, and unable to grasp the simple concept that without a lot of skill, NUB chars that reach the top 10 will fall away when their bonus runs out.
Mr C, If you're not shooting for a top ten spot, why are you playing this game??
I';m not talking about Chating, posting or the community... but if you;re playing, whay are you not aiming for a top ten spot? If you aren't tryinh to go for number one!!!!
"NUB chars that reach the top 10 will fall away when their bonus runs out."
But 4 months of hardcore palying will blast past anything I can do in 10 +... It's been shown...
And the same will happen for any existing playing who faces up against a new 'Bonus' player. No matter how far down the line we look.
GL, hehe, I'm not going for top 10 and certainly not top 1 ;)
I don't have the time to use enough BA to keep up with those guys.
And as for the NUB thing... you, me and everyone else has had equal chance to get to where ranger is today. Kitty has used her NUB effectively and has caught up to where we would be if we worked hard enough at it. What is wrong with that?
October 29 2005 6:33 PM EDT
It is far far easier to be a BA fiend for only 4 months then for 11. But the end result in character MPR will be the same.
But I'd just like everyone to have that same chance, especially people like you who had a break away. Give everyone an equal footing. :)
MrC, I suggest you either 1) clarify with whom you are speaking, or 2) read the author of the posts to which you are referring. Your reply to me has very little to do with what I actually said. Either you are replying to numerous people and lumping it all together in a message directed at me wherein the pronoun "you" equates only to myself, or you can't follow a conversation thread.
Further, I posted once in this thread and twice in another. That's causing you to lose you patience? Come now.... Are you that spasmadic that you can't control yourself after so few messages? Or are you again confusing me with someone else?
I posted very simple, calm, nonthreatening messages that provided insight and a certain point of view. You dont' need to respond to me with malice.
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