Ilovehellokitty takes the #1 MPR spot! (in Off-topic)

Stephen November 19 2005 6:06 PM EST

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WeaponX November 19 2005 6:09 PM EST

dang you beat me on making this post by about 5 mins. congratulations kitty.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2005 6:13 PM EST


Still with a month left.

So this means Kitty fought more (comparatively) than ranger then?

Well, time for your NCB character Ranger! ;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 19 2005 6:44 PM EST

now we see if MPR is really king...when kitty sells out in two weeks and DAWG buys the char.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 19 2005 6:45 PM EST

oh and not to sound like a total louse, Grats, you pwned The Pwn.
What's your next trick?

QBRanger November 19 2005 6:57 PM EST


smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 19 2005 6:58 PM EST

Now Ranger can finally take some Nyquil and catch up on 11 months of lost sleep.

Congrats Kitty!

Tezmac November 19 2005 7:01 PM EST

Both of you need to train a tiny amount of something and unlearn it so we can see if Ranger has truly been passed yet...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2005 7:07 PM EST

And if he has, isn't this what the recent adjustment was supposed to change? Even if Kitty has worked harder than Ranger, I'm sure having just about a full month of bonus time (even at 20 odd percent...) left wasn't supposed to happen...

Unless Kitty has just worked *that* much harder than Ranger.

Hmmm.. Given that the bonus is based on the number one MPR, should Kitty (now being number one) lose what remains of her bonus?

QBRanger November 19 2005 7:11 PM EST

My current MPR is real as I just recently untrained and retrained xp.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 19 2005 7:17 PM EST

NUB isn't all about MPR Gl...sadly they get cash too.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2005 7:22 PM EST

But surely the whole bonus should stop now? It's based on reaching 95% of the top MPR. As Kitty now has 100% of the top MPR being it, all bonuses should stop.

(Thi is all moot if Kitty now has no bonus...)

Why should she contiue to get a bonus to help her reach the top spot, when she already is?

As for ballance, if she retains her 20% (or around about there) bonus for a month, if Ranger contiues to fight as much as her, in a months time, she'll be 20% ahead of Ranger, with him having no chance to catch her.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2005 7:26 PM EST

From the changelog thread;

"My goal was to calibrate the bonus such that a char under bonus can achieve 95% of the XP earned by a veteran, given equivalent effort. "

"Final thought: you might think from the BPM numbers that Kitty's lead is due to larger BA purchases. This is not the case; both purchase about the same amount -- which is to say, Ranger has bought about 3x as much as Kitty, having been around about 3x as long"

As they've both bought around the same BA, has Kitty really naturally fought far more than Ranger that she is able to pass him in 3/4 of her bonus time?

QBBarzooMonkey November 19 2005 7:30 PM EST

Congratulations, kitty :)

onlyyouknow November 19 2005 7:31 PM EST

Congrats Kitty :p

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 19 2005 8:05 PM EST

It's late, so forgive me if I've got this totally wrong...

Ignoring bought BA, and simplifying bonus time to reach 100% of the Top MPR, with equivalent effort in four months, Kitty should have reached Rangers MPR.

Given that she has done this in (slightly simplified) 3/4 of the time, she has worked fully 1/3 harder than Ranger has to get where she is today.

If we assume Ranger has only fought 75% (I think 80% has been mentioned, but if someone could provide an accurate figure that would be great!) of his total possible natural BA throughout his career, then kitty needed to have fought around 100% of hers.

If so, then hats off to Kitty. That is some achievment.

But I can't see how anyone can have fought near 100% of thier total possible daily BA. Especially for 3 months staight.

Bah, I've probably got my maths wrong somehwere...

Outlaw November 19 2005 8:26 PM EST

Ranger is back to first.

QBJohnnywas November 19 2005 8:27 PM EST

That's cause Kitty was too busy trying to read GL's posts ;)

QBOddBird November 19 2005 8:28 PM EST

A major congratulations to you, Kitty. I wondered if you'd do it, but you've surpassed all *my* expectation. I know everyone will say they saw it coming, but I'm referring to about a month ago when I started watching your growth. You're really skyrocketing, and I'm impressed.

/me shakes you warmly by the hand.

QBJohnnywas November 19 2005 8:29 PM EST

Put Kitty down Oddbird, we don't know where you've been...

Tooth Fairy November 19 2005 8:41 PM EST

He's been to Washington and Florida and....

Rommel [Darkest Hour] November 19 2005 8:52 PM EST

Congratulations kitty, for a job well done : )

Undertow November 19 2005 10:04 PM EST

I love how everyone is just ignoring GL in this "congradlatory" thread. GL, why can't you ever just open up your own thread for an arguement like this and stop other peoples happy threads from turning into debates?

Go Kitty, it's your birthday, you rock the CB, go Kitty!

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] November 20 2005 1:05 AM EST

Congrats Kitty! :)

You earnt it! :)

Biscuitback November 20 2005 2:30 AM EST

congrats kitty.

thats a big accomplishment :)

Shadowsparkle [Jago] November 20 2005 5:07 AM EST

Congratulations Kitty :)

Xiaz on Hiatus November 20 2005 6:28 AM EST

Bravo! Who would've thought, that cat that resides on the shelves of the 'Morning Glory' stores could slash and gash with the best of them.

{CB1ate}aupStar November 20 2005 8:21 AM EST

Congrats kitty!! ^^

btw GL, could clan bonuses have played a part..? o_O

WeaponX November 20 2005 8:30 AM EST

that's pretty true Aup and i'm surprised nobody brought this up. shortly after Kitty joined i recruited her into Supreme and she was getting a constant top 5 bonus. i know Ranger has BR but when CB2 began BR was not in business therefore Ranger did not receive a top 5 bonus like kitty did throughout her CB career. could be a major factor actually.

QBRanger November 20 2005 8:35 AM EST

Actually it is not that big a factor. The clan bonus that is.

If you look up BR it started Jan 25th and was a top 3 clan almost from the beginning. So 1/11th of the time I did not have a clan bonus and that time was when everyone had under 100k MPR. Rewards for everyone were utter crap at that time.

WeaponX November 20 2005 8:38 AM EST

your clan was not a top level clan until Mikel joined.

QBRanger November 20 2005 8:43 AM EST


I disagree.

BR was a top clan almost from the beginning.

Remember if you will, I had Budice in the clan and he had the top character at the time.

We also had Duke who got tons of CP's.

Our bonus was over 13% from the beginning.

Before memnot and Duke joined (early March), it was mostly Budice and me. But as we were only defeatable by each other, we were at/near the top due to the lack of CP's taken away from us.

So, the clan bonus Kitty has had vs me is a non factor.

WeaponX November 20 2005 8:50 AM EST

i can name you 4 or 5 clans better than BR until at very least April. Sentinals of Valinor & Hellfire were the ones that are easy to remember. as far as you and Budice being #1 and 2 from the jump remember SteveG?

QBRanger November 20 2005 9:03 AM EST


Not to drive a point to the ground,

The Steveh was taken by Budice and I by mid Feb. Remember the tattoo loaning? Budice took advantage of it very quickly and had the highest tattoo. Between he and I, we were undefeatable.

Yes there were 3 or 4 other clans that competed with us, but we almost always had over a 13% bonus. Just like Supreme now. There are days I see Supreme not having over a 10% bonus for a few hours then getting to the top. It was the same with BR back then.

I was in BR, you were not. I know what bonuses we had and did not.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] November 20 2005 9:41 AM EST

Hellfire were top in Jan, Sentinels Feb, Battle Royal were up there and started to dominate sometime in March. Since then they have been consistently top 3 and often too far ahead in first place for other top clans to even think about catching them.

Quark November 21 2005 10:42 AM EST

Congrats, kitty!

I don't think bonus was a factor - BR was very strong. But if we look at YTD clan points, Ranger's got a shade over a million, which for 10 months of play (late Jan) works out to about 100k clan points per month. If the stats are right and kitty's clan points reset based on her join date with Supreme (and I believe that's the case, as my points reset as well), she has around 310k points for just over 2.5 months of play, which works out to just under 120k clan points per month.

Further assume both hit 3 point targets almost exclusively (and assume they have about the same Sunday play), and that means kitty has 20% more BA burned in her bonus time than Ranger's lifetime burn rate. That means kitty's bonus should put her at about 15% more MPR than Ranger at the end of her bonus period.

Whew! I think I had those numbers right. That means kitty's right on track.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] November 21 2005 11:48 AM EST

G you need to take into account the fact that the amount of BA you can buy was doubled around the time of the NW=PR change.

Quark November 21 2005 12:38 PM EST

But if rewards weren't changed, the BA burn rate still results in the same MPR growth.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] November 21 2005 1:48 PM EST

Well if you are working on clan points per month then Rangers will be less due to having less fights available to buy for the first few months of the game. I think clan points are only lost from your stats when the clan you gained them with is disbanded and not when you leave.

QBRanger November 21 2005 2:24 PM EST

Also, please look when BR was formed--Jan 28th. So I was clanless for the first month. Please figure that into clan points per month. Also I do attack some 2 pointers on Monday morning as well as when Imp and Freed are not 3 pointers during the week.

Again, the best idea of battles fought is "battles as attacker".

And please keep in mind we could only buy 353 BA until mid March instead of the 503 we can now at 7/10 regen rate.

I will say Kitty has gotten a nice amount of free xp from winning defensive battles, while not many attack me for the last 8 or so months. One needs to consider that as well since all those defensive wins/draws gave her nice free xp with the clan bonus and NUB.

Not to take away what Kitty has done, it would be nice to see her keep it up for 11 months like I have.

Quark November 21 2005 3:41 PM EST

I did pro-rate a bit for BR's lifespan, and at the time kitty was new to Supreme. But to redo with battles won (instead of challenged, to account for passive wins), kitty has 131k for just over 3 months or 43.5k wins per month. Ranger has 406k wins over 10.5 months or 38.7 wins per month. This means kitty is fighting about 12% more than Ranger, and should end up with 12% more than 95% of Ranger's MPR or about 6.5% more MPR in total.

I'm not trying to diminish the effort Ranger's put in for those 10.5 months. I'm just saying the NUB recalibrated is doing its job. I'm guessing Jon's got some BA usage efficiency tag at the back end to help the calibrations.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 21 2005 3:51 PM EST

But at the moment Kitty's MPR shows she is fighting about 33% more than Ranger, not about 12%...

QBRanger November 21 2005 4:19 PM EST

But G:

How can you say the recallibration is doing its job when Kitty is already past me in MPR by 10k and still has 3 weeks of it left? If you mean that by the time her NUB is over she should be 6 percent higher than me due to battles fought you missing one key point. For almost 3 months I could only buy 353 BA a day. So add 150 BA times 80 days or 12000 BA to my total.

And again, as we all know it is quite easy to find using 100 percent of ones BA for 3-4 months but impossible for 11. IMO, such a NUB should take that into consideration.

Ilovehellokitty November 21 2005 4:30 PM EST

It's never enough :P

Bmagnety November 21 2005 7:36 PM EST



get a RL & proves the nub is .......

Derek November 21 2005 8:21 PM EST

Ranger - Jon said in the changelog thread that you and kitty have bought about the same amount of BA relatively speaking.
I suspect the real reason kitty has more battles than you is she has been on 10/9/8/7 BA refresh whereas you have been on 7 BA refresh probably since the beginning of CB. Kitty's average BA refresh has probably been around 7.5-8 whereas yours has been 7, which would account for kitty having about 10% more battles challenged per month than you.

I would guess that you will end up around 3% less MPR than kitty after her NUB expires which implies that she has worked (3%+5%)/95% = about 8.5% harder than you on average (since the NUB is designed so that if you worked as hard as each other she should be 5% less MPR than you).

If after adjusting for BA refresh rates you have worked about as hard as each other, and kitty is ahead of you in MPR you may have a case than the NUB is overpowered.

QBRanger November 21 2005 8:34 PM EST


I would not say "work", it is just a game. However, I do feel I have been the best at maximizing my BA. To have someone pass me in just over 3 months, with 1 more month of the NUB still to go is a bit annoying to say the least.

As you and others know, one uses less and less BA as time goes by. So while I was playing like mad for 10 months, all a new player has to do is play like mad for only 4, a much much easier task.

And while Kitty's NUB is now about 28%, it still makes me catching her MPR (at least for a month) all but impossible. And while she is still fresh at 4 months into the game (assuming she continues to play her character), I will be over 11 into my character and the burn out gets worse at time goes on.

If after her NUB was over, she was 95% of my MPR, I think I would have a bit of incentive to continue playing. But now, that the NUB gives someone the top position, one I do not believe I can catch, whats the point anymore.

{CB1ate}aupStar November 21 2005 10:18 PM EST

Fight on Ranger...Consistency is key.

Ilovehellokitty November 21 2005 10:29 PM EST

what can I do to make (QB)Ranger happy? -.-

QBRanger November 21 2005 10:36 PM EST

Once again,

Kitty, it is nothing you have done. In fact, you worked the game as it was made for you very well. Kudos for that. None of my posts/responses have been attacking you.

It is the NUB that is the problem and has always been the NUB.

IMO, it is not very fair to those who started from the beginning that someone can pass the top MPR in less time then even Jon intended.

Special J November 21 2005 10:38 PM EST

Stop playing in shifts?

QBRanger November 21 2005 11:15 PM EST

Well, it seems the MPR bug has been fixed and Jon psyched all of us out.

Early April Fools????

Derek November 21 2005 11:16 PM EST

Kitty's MPR just dropped under 1M. Looks like you'll be able to hold on to the top spot Ranger.

QBRanger November 21 2005 11:18 PM EST

Looks like this Jon guy may know a thing or two about titrating the MPR growth.

Now we have the Draw group to worry about :)

Arorrr November 21 2005 11:20 PM EST

Is Kitty an asian? Kinda cute face except the trying-2-hard crossing her eyes.

Her thump-up-in-my-noise blocked most of her facial expression. Otherwise I would guess she is a crossed bread between asian and caucasian.

Wanna date me?


[SoM]CupofJoe [Peoples Bank of Carnage] November 21 2005 11:23 PM EST

crossed bread?

Like angry wheat bread or angry raisin bread?

Tezmac November 21 2005 11:28 PM EST

What did I say in the 8th post of this thread? If anyone had bothered to read it maybe you all wouldn't have gotten your panties all ruffled.

Ilovehellokitty November 21 2005 11:40 PM EST

Noooooooooooooooooooooo! -.-

sssimmo November 22 2005 12:29 AM EST

My younger half-brother and half-sister are crossed bread. I call them Wholemeal and Multigrain.

I guess I could also call them sliced because they are half-siblings. But then again does one cut mean sliced......think about it.

AdminNightStrike November 22 2005 1:26 AM EST

There's an easy fix -- kill the bonus once you hit the 95% mark regardless of how much is left. It's done its course.

Let's say the #1 guy got off to a rocky start, or made some mistakes along the way. Let's say the NUB played perfectly. He'd get farther faster than intended, right? So at a certain point, he doesn't ned the bonus. This is all about approximations, anyway. Leave the error margin in the equation, and kill the bonus once it crosses 95%. Once you're at 95% anyway, there's no need for the bonus. You can do the rest on your own.

What was that movie.... Angels in the Outfield, right? The Angels weren't allowed to give any aid at the Series.. they could only help them get there.

AdminJonathan November 27 2005 7:44 PM EST

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