Taking the top with teamwork! (in General)

QBOddBird November 19 2005 9:34 PM EST

There's a new clan forming, and it'll make those in it at the top. If you want in, CM me. You must either be in the first month of your NUB or capable of making a NCB character. For information on exactly how this will work, CM me. You may apply here, but only if you fight enough to reach around 100k MPR within several weeks. After that, I won't care how much you fight - how far you want to go will be up to you. Yes, this is legal - not cheating or taking advantage of any bugs. Just CM me for the info *ONLY* if you are interested and serious about this opportunity.

Current members will be:
Vampire king
hi im jake

QBOddBird November 20 2005 6:46 PM EST

To clarify, there'll be a set strategy to this clan and set ways to fight, etc. It will be *very* organized. We have room for 5 more tops, so CM us if you are interested.

Stephen Young November 20 2005 7:31 PM EST

Don't be left out. This idea is ingenious.

QBOddBird November 20 2005 10:43 PM EST

Clan starts tomorrow, and I'll create it tonight. There's room for *one* more who fits the requirements. Trust me, this is going to be big, its proven. I need one, post here if you are interested.

Ilovehellokitty November 20 2005 10:44 PM EST

can i join? :P

Maelstrom November 21 2005 9:20 AM EST

So the great mystery is that it's an econ clan?

Hengar November 21 2005 10:29 AM EST

I would contribute if you'd have me

I was Dignifried Bean November 21 2005 2:43 PM EST

I still don't understand. Can you "DRAW" me a picture?

Unwanted Memories November 21 2005 6:34 PM EST

Yes, I can draw you a picture it looks like the number 1-10 spots!

QBOddBird November 21 2005 10:48 PM EST

Closed, nobody else in. We have everyone we need.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 12:51 AM EST

this is the most hilarious cocamami sceme ever, it needs thirties style the sneak music behind it.

QBOddBird November 22 2005 1:02 AM EST

what is this "cocamami" of which you speak?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 1:05 AM EST

it's likely actually spell differently...let me see...

QBOddBird November 22 2005 1:11 AM EST

ah, okay. cockamamie as in incredibly good? or cockamamie as in just plain incredibly ridiculous? It certainly works well, that's for sure. ^_^

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 1:16 AM EST

as in, if this goes on for more than a week I'll eat my hat, prepare for Jon to make draws worth nothing.

Bootsanator November 22 2005 2:18 AM EST

jon won't make draws worth nothing, that would suck a lot

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] November 22 2005 2:38 AM EST

Perhaps he'll just make them very, very costly for members of e-clans. :)

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] November 22 2005 2:57 AM EST

This looks interesting.

You're all crazy though, that's for sure.

Stephen Young November 22 2005 6:43 AM EST

Well, what can I say? OB and I are either psychotic geniuses, or genius psychotics.

Mikel [Bring it] November 22 2005 7:52 AM EST

using an exploit in the system for personal gains, tsk.

Tezmac November 22 2005 7:56 AM EST

I dont get it, someone paint me a picture.

Mikel [Bring it] November 22 2005 8:05 AM EST

look at their battle logs.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] November 22 2005 8:07 AM EST

No painting here, Tez, only drawing.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 22 2005 8:07 AM EST

Exploit, or ingenious strategy akin to Myth's clan rotation system?

Tezmac November 22 2005 8:07 AM EST

Oooh you sneaky bunch!!

Special J November 22 2005 2:30 PM EST

It is not an exploit.

Maelstrom November 22 2005 2:36 PM EST

I don't get it... how does it benefit them to only fight those opponents they draw against?

Quark November 22 2005 2:38 PM EST

Both sides of the fight get exp and CB$ rewards. They're trying to double up on the gains from fighting. Although their virtual PR will slow down those gains.

trigun November 22 2005 2:38 PM EST

both get exp..^_^

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 2:40 PM EST

wow that wuss comment astounds me...
I'm inclined to believe Jon has things runed well enough now it's not going to produce exactly the results they want...but it should be insteresting.

flamewind November 22 2005 2:41 PM EST

It happened on CB1 too. Tourney farms.

(CB1)logan666 [Jago] November 22 2005 2:42 PM EST

Because with a draw they still get exp and money while the other also gets exp and money for the draw. This means they are getting more exp and money by drawing each other even when they are not playing. Get it now?

Maelstrom November 22 2005 3:02 PM EST

Ah yes, I didn't notice they were fighting each other...

Ilovehellokitty November 22 2005 3:10 PM EST

actually it's not just doubling exp it's = (number of players -1) times.

QBOddBird November 22 2005 3:13 PM EST

no, it is doubling exactly. If all 10 fight all 10, they get 16 of each other's BA for 16x10=160 BA from the others (per cycle). If 2 fight each other, they get 160 of each other's BA. No matter how many are in it, if they all fight each other equally, it's exactly double.

Maelstrom November 22 2005 3:17 PM EST

No, I believe Kitty is right. If you have N members, then you get N(N-1) the amount of XP - you're approximately squaring the amount og XP you get, not doubling.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 3:17 PM EST

wow...this is gonna be grusome, scores are gonna keep going through the roof..

Maelstrom November 22 2005 3:18 PM EST

I have to wonder: why is "og" in the spellchecker? Naturally, that should have been "of" :p

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] November 22 2005 3:23 PM EST

this is pretty hilarious. I wonder how this is going to work out.

QBOddBird November 22 2005 3:24 PM EST

nah, they're slowly dropping. Also, I *am* right about it Maelstrom. Think about it. If there's 10 members spending 16 fights on each (assuming they fight 10 each) then they give 16 BA to each person. So each person receives 16 BA from all 10 others, and get 160 total. Whereas if two fight, one person spends 160 BA on the other, and vice versa. As I said before....it's the same amount of exp no matter how many are in the clan. Trust me, I've worked this stuff out.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 22 2005 4:27 PM EST

but, i order for this to work, you all must fight each other the same amount throughout, otherwise on or two people *will* pull ahead of the rest, and start full out winning against everyone else. So you must stay on top of this everyday, to make sure that doesnt happen.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 22 2005 4:29 PM EST

haha, it is pretty funny how everyone has the same score though....688k throughout

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] November 22 2005 4:30 PM EST

can't they just make sure they train comparatively.. leaving some VPR if necessary.

Stephen Young November 22 2005 4:33 PM EST

Smallpau1, you are wrong about someone pulling ahead and eventually winning instead of drawing. Look a little closer.

Special J November 22 2005 4:44 PM EST

No he means one or two people will get more fights against them, thus pulling ahead MPR wise.

Which is no matter as they are not equal MPR going in.

QBOddBird November 22 2005 4:52 PM EST

we could, Oxtetor, but how would that help anything? I don't see much of an advantage in that for anyone...

Ox [StephenMelinda Gates Fund] November 22 2005 4:54 PM EST

I guess since your HP is so low you will all draw no matter how high your FB's are?

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 22 2005 5:34 PM EST

are you guys not training? Because if you dont train then there is no problem with what i said there would be. But then you wont gain exp later on, instead, you'll be getting the same exp the whole time.

Unwanted Memories November 22 2005 5:35 PM EST

we are training :) that way when we get to a point we can learn just a little HP that way we dont get farmed lol

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 22 2005 8:09 PM EST

look at it this way

        Person1(100 fights)                                                   Person1 total = 100
              /\                                                              Person2 total = 50
            /    \                                                            Person3 total = 50
          /        \                                                                 
        /            \
      /                \
 Person2              Person3
     (50)               (50)                                                        totals +

                                 Person2(150 fights)                          Person1 total = 100 + 75
                                       /\                                     Person2 total = 50 + 150
                                     /    \                                   Person3 total = 50 + 75
                                   /        \
                                 /            \
                               /                \
                        Person1                 Person3
                        (75)                       (75)

    Person1 total = 100 + 75 + 100       Person3(200 fights)
    Person2 total = 50 + 150 + 100           /\
    Person3 total = 50 + 75 + 200           /   \                                                                                                                                                          
                                          /       \
                                        /           \
                                      /               \
                                 Person1             Person2
                                   (100)               (100)

Person1 total = 275 fights
Person2 total = 300 fights
Person3 total = 325 fights

****This means, they have to fight the same number of fights everytime, otherwise it will dish out uneven exp****

wow this took me forever to make up....lol

using pre tags still didnt help that much.  Haha!  O well, that's my stand on this matter, and i think unless
they fight the same number of fights exactly each and every day, this wont work in the end.  But this is a great idea
if they can work out the same # of fights for each person.

This better turn out how it looks in the preview........If not, sorry, hope you get the picture otherwise  =/

Mikel [Bring it] November 22 2005 8:17 PM EST

I'm sorry, but it is an exploit anyway you slice it.
by definition:
Exploit: Use or manipulate to one's advantage.

Others have followed the rules as dictated by the game and been punished for it, so explain to me how this doesn't fall into this category?

Grant November 22 2005 8:28 PM EST

They can use this against each other all they want, but FB-only tactics were only competitive against teams ~1/2 their MPR before the latest nerf.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 22 2005 8:28 PM EST

but i dont know how jon can do anything about Draws anyway without making draws = stalemates.......ugh, stalemates.......

I guess he could make Draws = Win * .5
and nothing for the defender, and stalemates the exact opposite.

QBRanger November 22 2005 8:39 PM EST

Just make draws lower your score instead of raise it is one possiblity.

Special J November 22 2005 8:39 PM EST

this is not something OB discovered or thought up

Peter at home November 22 2005 8:51 PM EST

Well, they might be getting more exp, but I guess not, because I think Draw will not give you as much exp as Win. Something close to it, but not the same amount.

And they are dying with every single draw where you need to heal completely which is... costly.

So I guess it is something like wacky XP time... more XP less money 24/7.

Although I don't have an opinion yet if it is legal or not.

Hyrule Castle [Defy] November 22 2005 9:22 PM EST

so u want the great hyrule in your clan?, i hear in rather good.... :D... lol... or so i hear... from me........*sigh*

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 9:38 PM EST

We are gonna have to wait for a result, then if popularity becomes overwhelmingly lame, we'll all just suck.

AdminNightStrike November 22 2005 10:08 PM EST

Why an econ clan?

XxFaezerxX November 22 2005 10:10 PM EST

if it was a standard clan..... we would get farmed realy badly because of the CP points we would give and also the fact that it would be impossible for us to get a bonus as standard clan

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 10:52 PM EST

you'd make a lot more than the 10k it takes to start the clan again...a lot more.

QBOddBird November 22 2005 10:53 PM EST

......we would be attacking clan members. There's no bonus for that. We'd lose out entirely. The econ clan is simply for organization.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 11:08 PM EST

you don't want the bonus, you want the other clannites attacking you creating more draws and lowering your scores...

AdminJonathan November 22 2005 11:17 PM EST

draw awards reduced 50%.

BrandonLP November 22 2005 11:18 PM EST

A blow, but not big enough to stop this plan, I bet.

QBOddBird November 22 2005 11:20 PM EST

We'll see. I'll keep track and see how badly this affects rewards.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 11:24 PM EST

it's better than nothing!

QBsutekh137 November 22 2005 11:45 PM EST

You incited change! Well done!

Bootsanator November 22 2005 11:46 PM EST

/me thanks OB for ruining it for the rest of us :P

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] November 22 2005 11:49 PM EST

Nice, Jon.

Although, Vampire King, you and OB are CB's psychotic geniuses?!

*MrC gives an undignified sob*

I thought I still held that title! ;)

On a more relevant note to all of you who thought this up; It's been thought of before a few times but there's a good reason why it's never been tried, and that's because it's naive to think that you could last even a month without it being nerfed.
I believe Jon's change here is more than enough to make this strategy no longer cost effective. However, I stand by my comment earlier, it's an interesting strategy you guys are using so goodluck with getting to the top with it! :)

QBOddBird November 22 2005 11:49 PM EST

Sorry. I know you were relying on draw rewards for your main income, but I just had to take that away. xP

QBOddBird November 22 2005 11:50 PM EST

You're absolutely right, Chuckles. This change was seen coming, although I never saw it coming *this* quickly. However, we'll see if we can adapt. ^_^

flamewind November 22 2005 11:58 PM EST


QBOddBird November 23 2005 12:09 AM EST

nah, that was a pretty blasted effective nerf. I disbanded it. Time for a new game plan! ^_^

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] November 23 2005 12:23 AM EST

Haha, shot to the ground in flames....=P~

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 23 2005 3:42 AM EST

*Shrug* if this was giving 100% XP and Cash bonus (roundabout, based on the number of times everyone else fought compared to you) this recent change would just make it a 50% increase.

That's far better than being in the top clan.

My rewards doing this suck at the moment, but that's because most were far below me in MPR. But as they increase, so will the rewards.

And really, who cares about score! ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 23 2005 4:53 AM EST

>_<... slap me around with a wet kipper... I must be tired today...

it's not a 50% bonus... it's just normal rewards...

QBJohnnywas November 23 2005 5:00 AM EST

*Slap*wet kipper* slap slap slap

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 23 2005 6:54 AM EST

I bet you enjoyed that! ;)

QBJohnnywas November 23 2005 6:55 AM EST

Me? Enjoy humiliating someone with a big wet fish? nah....
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