Interesting observation: seekers break AXBow. But only if you can't re (in General)

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] December 14 2005 5:10 AM EST

At least it seems interesting to me. And it is news to me as well. I hope it is not common knowledge, but figured I would post and share. If you have an Axbow, or Exbow for that matter, you obviously always hit the highest DX opponent. However, equipping seekers always causes you to attack the highest spell enemy minion. And this overrides the built in seeking an Axbow has.

However, if an opponent does not have a mage, and you are trying seekers, the AXBow does not once again target highest DX. Instead, you simply fire at the first minion, then second, etc. The bottom line is that seeker bolts completely turn off your targeting of DX, whether they have mages or not. It makes me have to think seeker bolts are quite a bit less useful.

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 14 2005 5:26 AM EST

Nothing new, Vaynard. I think you can read it also in the Wiki.

QBJohnnywas December 14 2005 5:27 AM EST

Is that reallly correct?

I used to train low level st/dx on my walls to divert seekers from ex/ax - bows when Jack Crow was a mage team. It worked too as far as I can remember...

Of course I may have been dreaming....

QBJohnnywas December 14 2005 5:30 AM EST

I guess I must have been dreaming. You're right. Seekers turn a specialist xbow into a normal one.... that's not good....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 14 2005 5:35 AM EST

Shadow, that's not something known, and if it is in place, something of a bug (unless it is intended...).

It was known that the targetting properties of ammo overid the targeting of the weapon used, I even made a humorous post in CB1 about skipping meat shields by using a Seeker equipped A/EXBow to take out mages, then tanks, leaving enchanters till last. ;)

It was generally understood that if there were no spells to 'seek' the crossbow would go back to the normal targetting of it's type, Dex for AXBows or Str for EXBows. But this isn't what Vaynard is observing happening. :/

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 14 2005 5:37 AM EST

Sorry to break your dreams ;) But its true.

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 14 2005 5:39 AM EST

I have my Axbow for quite some time now, GL, and it always worked like this. I never used one in CB1 of course, so I can't say how it worked there.

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] December 14 2005 5:42 AM EST

Yep, exactly GL.

Although I must admit that whoever did the wiki page did a good job, and even did have that. Guess it's my own fault for not checking earlier. Ah well, I still have to say it strikes me somewhat as a bug. Perhaps it is intended, but I suppose I'll never know. It just does not seem correct that an Axbow is rendered useless with seekers when say fighting your typical EEET team.

AdminShade December 14 2005 5:48 AM EST

Indeed I failed to include that Seeker ammo targets normally as if you have a normal Crossbow when the target has no mages, will add it shortly if someone hasn't done it yet.

AdminShade December 14 2005 5:52 AM EST

On second thought, you should ALL read better:

Axbow wiki page says this:

Depending on the type of bolt you use, it targets different minions.

* Bolts & Slayer Bolts: target the minion with the highest Dexterity
* Seeker Bolts: targets the minion with the largest Direct Damage Spell
* If there is no opponent minion with a DD spell, then Seeker Bolts target the first opponents minion.

"target the first opponents minion"

so I DID add it, and ShadowSparkle was right after all!

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] December 14 2005 5:55 AM EST

Heh, I know Shade. I put that I was impressed it was in there on my last post. I Guess we all need reading lessons :S

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 14 2005 5:57 AM EST

Thanks Shade :)

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 14 2005 6:00 AM EST

And just a guess, but don't you think Ex-/Axbows with seekers would be to powerful if they attack highest DX when they found no DD? I think you should have to choose between one of them.

AdminShade December 14 2005 6:10 AM EST


Axbows usually target highest DX
Exbows usually target highest ST

just to make that clear also

AdminShade December 14 2005 6:11 AM EST

And indeed I also think that you have to choose between either:

- The possibility to target highest ST / DX


- Target Mages and if no mages just normally minion 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 14 2005 6:23 AM EST

Of course you are right Shade.
Sorry I forgot to write the ST part for Exbows, wasn't my intention to bring in more confusion.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 14 2005 6:48 AM EST

Hehehehehe, maybe no-one paid enough attention in CB1, what with no ranged weapon being worth using bar the ELB and it's always worked that way. Maybe it's another undocumented change from CB1 to 2.

Jon, would you mind mentioning whether this is working as intended or a bug?


Quark December 14 2005 11:01 AM EST

I would suggest this is the correct action. The axbow can target the highest dex character, but the seeker bolt has a "mind" of its own, and therefore will do its own thing once released. So the seeker property always takes precedence, and for no mages that means hitting the biggest enchanter.

onlyyouknow December 14 2005 11:04 AM EST

Which means you can train base FB on your enchanters and walls so that your tank does not get hit. That sounds nice :p

AdminShade December 14 2005 11:08 AM EST

only if your opponent actually uses seeker arrows, in which he doesn't want to target the Tank but the Mage... duh...

onlyyouknow December 14 2005 11:12 AM EST

So if the opponent is using seekers, the axbow will not seek the minion with the highest dex when there are no mages around?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 14 2005 11:15 AM EST


AdminShade December 14 2005 11:18 AM EST

which we all said...

onlyyouknow December 14 2005 11:19 AM EST

lol okie. Wasn't paying attention to the posts in front. :p

AdminShade December 14 2005 11:20 AM EST

which happens to people all the time >.<

AdminShade December 14 2005 1:00 PM EST

Thought to add something to the title, which should be taken amusing not offensive :)

onlyyouknow December 14 2005 8:13 PM EST

lol :p

maulaxe December 15 2005 1:54 AM EST

Dang. sucks to have a team with a tank AND a mage...

onlyyouknow December 15 2005 3:21 AM EST

Well, having both tank and mage is probably the most "fun" combination you'll have in cb.
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