MHx1 in auction, winner please look (in General)
Grant
February 21 2006 4:20 PM EST
I will take to x11 if loaned to me for 1 day to determine UC base damage.
BootyGod
February 21 2006 4:25 PM EST
lol I was already going to if I won as a favor to Shade... but I wont say no to the x11 :).
Grant
February 21 2006 9:50 PM EST
Well, don't sell your MHs just yet, but the VB and ELS blow them away in average damage per blow. It's not even close.
I don't know why this is, I just took more data points than normal because I *knew* this would be popular.
And as someone who doesn't own a MH/BoTH, I would like to say, ha ha.
:)
I'll be pumping the base MH up to x11 and testing more.
sssimmo
February 21 2006 10:08 PM EST
Hmm Grant, a MH has a base damage of 84 and ELS has 80. Clearly the MH has a higher base damage. How can it be that ELS does more damage on average??
Grant
February 21 2006 10:53 PM EST
I don't know. All I know is that a base MH does about the same damage as a base halberd.
Grant
February 21 2006 11:01 PM EST
An interesting question would be if a BoTH exhibits the same behavior. Anyone have a base or x11 one?
Flamey
February 21 2006 11:28 PM EST
you just said that VB and ELS do more damage. and now you are laughing at us for that?
and doesn't the AC reduction on the VB mean anything?
sssimmo
February 21 2006 11:39 PM EST
Flamey, I don't think he's laughing at me. If he was he would probably write "haha". Maybe it is just your "inner voice" that made you think that?
Flamey
February 21 2006 11:49 PM EST
i didn't say me i said us meaning the VB and ELS holders
sssimmo
February 22 2006 12:30 AM EST
He was laughing at MH and BoTh owners bud.
maybe Jon over nerfed the MH BoTH in the previous change...*snicker*
Flamey
February 22 2006 12:39 AM EST
no he wasn't
"And as someone who doesn't own a MH/BoTH, I would like to say, ha ha. "
"who doesn't own a MH/BoTH, i would like to say, ha ha"
so he is laughing at us VB/ELS users.
maulaxe
February 22 2006 12:40 AM EST
I have a x9 +11 Both you can borrow if you wanted to test stuff
Flamey, he was referring to the fact that according to his research, the MH has a lower base dmg than a VB or ELS. Which means the BTh base damage is lower yet. Which means, as a non-drain weapon owner, he gives a "ha ha" to those who do own drain weapons.
Flamey
February 22 2006 12:49 AM EST
ok what you posted Nightmare, made sense but just reading his post it still says to me he is laughing at us.
i guess now you know i own a VB
sorry to take this thread off topic.
AdminShade
February 22 2006 1:05 AM EST
Flamey: he tested on minions without any AC, prot, ToE ...
QBJohnnywas
February 22 2006 3:05 AM EST
Grant,
does ST have more impact on a two handed weapon's damage? I know that reality has no place here, but in RL a hammer requires strength to get the most out of it. Whereas a sharp sword can do a lot of damage regardless of strength.
Maybe you should check out a base exec compared to a katana say, to see if the same happens.
Grant
February 22 2006 9:35 AM EST
2 and 1-handed weapons have behaved identicly up to this point. MH and non-MH, however, haven't.
And to a certain person thinking I was flaming VB and ELS owners: When my sentences have both a logical and illogical interpretation, and the illogical one insults you, please do not prefer the illogical interpretion.
Grant
February 22 2006 10:09 AM EST
x11 is consistant with x1. Big surprise.
BootyGod
February 22 2006 6:10 PM EST
Maybe the life drain is taken from the damage? I dont know but that seems to be the only way to make up for the horrible damage that MH and BoTH do. I mean for example I was using a named BoTH with a multiplier over 70..... my VB at x50 did about the same damage... against non armored mages.
AdminShade
February 22 2006 6:14 PM EST
so what you say is, MH damage is bugged?
had the chance to test a BTh yet?
sssimmo
February 22 2006 6:17 PM EST
If this is true, and is "fixed", then MH are going to be worth 6-7mil base.
Grant
February 22 2006 8:06 PM EST
Latest info from Jon
The Big 4 have made up bases except the BoNE, the rest do percentages of the BoNE, as suggested by their bases.
Well, at least theoretically.
The MH is currently doing *much* less than it's supposed to. (How do I know, the ELS wipes the floor with it.)
Jon thinks my numbers are wrong, so far. :)
sssimmo
February 22 2006 10:00 PM EST
"ELS" "ELS"!!
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