My April Fool's Joke (in General)
Yesterday I posted in the WTB/FS thread as an April Fool's joke (since I was kind of sad nothing happened here from Jon, but that's alright). I posted a thread selling 10 mil for $100, and five people fell for it:
Sometimes offers are too good to be true =P
You can check the original thread here. http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001lPR
Five people fell for it? As in you made $500 and then called it a joke? I had no idea you were so evil Pixel, lol.
I thought you were just desperate to sell.
April 2 2006 5:48 PM EDT
As unheard of as it is here, that was the *standard* rate on CB1 (pre-CB2).
Had I been in the market for a little CBD, I wouldn't have found it odd either.
*hoggles all the money*
Nah, I didn't actually collect any money. Oh well, its the best I could come up with without much thought, and it worked, so yeah =D
Technically speaking, a FS/WTB agreement is binding with a BIN. Anyone of the people that tried to get the money from you could technically have you reset.... I'd be very careful playing games like that, regardless of what day of the year it is.
*feels the fun get sucked out of life* It was a joke, reasonably amusing, if not easy to pick out :)
"his is for advertisements of characters or non-forging services (such as loans, item naming, supporterships, etc.) for sale or wanted-to-buy. Those looking to buy or sell items are encouraged to use the built-in auction system instead, which is custom-built for this purpose and has several advantages over a generic forum: CB auctions are scam-proof, searchable, and offer email alerts for buyers interested in specific items.
If you choose to start a new thread here anyway (either because what you have to say isn't easily translated into an auction, or because you Just Feel Like Posting), you will be automatically assessed a fee of $2,000. Posting in another forum to dodge the fee will result in a fine of $25,000. You may post addenda or otherwise "bump" your post, but each reply will also cost $2,000. (Only the thread creator may reply to his posts; it proved contentious to allow others to post potentially off-topic material as well.)
FS/WTB threads are closed after two days, and deleted after six months. "
No where in there is the word 'contract' or 'binding.' Its just generally accepted. Also, if no money/items/services pass hands, how can you justify a reset?
April 3 2006 12:08 AM EDT
"...if no money/items/services pass hands, how can you justify a reset"
You can't. No good exchanged, no harm, no foul.
Nice joke Pixel :O)
It was cleared up by an admin in the past, stating that if person a makes an offer and person b accepts the terms of person a, via CM or FS/WTB, then it has the same rights as being posted in the Public Forums. You can say no money changed hands, but you had 5 people ready and willing to do just that. I doubt out of all 5 of them that none of them would've been able to fufil their side of the bargain.
If this is no longer the case, then should we just toss out all prior rules and precedents that have been established up to this point in the game? If we are going to play by the rules then play by them, if not then there is no protection what so ever from scammers, in which case we might as well just close the whole FS/WTB forum down.
April 3 2006 12:34 AM EDT
It's an harmless joke let it go Mikel.
April 3 2006 12:36 AM EDT
Mikel, it was/is an april fools joke, get over it >.<
A deal is only binding if both parties confirm and agree on it, pixel never agreed to any of the offers so there is nothing that binds a contract of selling.
My point is the FS/WTB isn't for Jokes. I don't think it's funny to clutter it with offers that people have no intention of following thru on. What's the point in rules if they aren't followed.
April 3 2006 12:57 AM EDT
So then do we have to fine everybody making a bid on items but suddenly see that they haven't got the money and back out of the sale by making a reply stating:
"sorry retracting my bids"
(yes old way of the FS/WTB forum but still works)
if that's what you want, we can fine half of CB somewhat.
Actually Shade, most of those are done in auction style posts. So if the terms of the seller haven't been met (either the BIN or the sellers time frame) then there is not a binding agreement in place yet. My point is the seller clearly indicated his terms, and it was met by 5 people responded, fortunately I didn't see it in time, else it would've been 6.
Mikel, I quieried this ages ago (I think it was in CB1) and was told point blank, that a deal isn't a deal until goods have changed hands.
April 3 2006 4:58 AM EDT
and then there is the term seller reserves all rights not to sell.
April 3 2006 6:23 AM EDT
KILLJOY ALERT ! AS WELL!
April 3 2006 9:33 AM EDT
I think it's a pretty stupid April Fool's joke - not particularly creative or funny. The 10$/million CB2 rate has an interesting history.
Fortunately, this thread is much more entertaining and makes me think that Battle Royale members really are just one person and /or Borg. The clan's initials even spells out Borg almost ?!?!?!
I'm done helping other players outside of my clan with strats, advice, even mentoring, the community can continue to go down the toilet for all I care.
And with an attitude like that, how can people NOT admire you? :P
April 3 2006 12:44 PM EDT
Mikel seriously relax. Of all the problems CB2 DOES have you choose this one to go crazy with? Why not work for the enchantment of llama rights? Or a pictionary for all G's pictures and comments. I think we could all use that. But you doing this just makes alot of people unhappy... including you it seems.
From a technical perspective Mikel is right about the offer of Pixelsage and the acceptance of 5 people. In fact, it is bound by law, technically. But there is also something in law called the "reasonable man" approach which asks "what would a reasonable person do". This approach is used hand in hand with fast and hard laws, like the laws of contracts in this case. A reasonable person would have made an April Fools on April Fools Day so hard and fast laws do not have to be enforced as if Pixelsage made an unreasonable request. But once again, from a technical standpoint the laws of contracts are binding as Mikel said. Since, as Mikel said, none of the 5 offerees found harm in this, it is not a moot case.
It is the trickle down effect of the attitude that has been displayed from the top.
April 3 2006 6:27 PM EDT
Well, if you will stand at the bottom...
Gilg, I at least thought by now you would have a clue.
How many times have we been through that federal laws of contracts have no place here? Unless a deal has actually been struck by both parties in the forum which Pixel hadn't agreed then admins wont do anything.
April's fool day joke, GET OVER IT PEOPLE!
"But once again, from a technical standpoint the laws of contracts are binding"
What law? The only law surrounding transfers in CB is that if you send your goods, and don't get either the goods you traded for, or your original goods back, (and the trade is documented/confirmed) you can ask for the offender to be re set. That's it.
I once asked that shouldn't a deal in FS/WTB stand on it's own written agreement, and was told that no. Until goods trade hands, nothing was fixed. I quieried this by saying technically I could go into every FS/WTB thread, post an offer, then post a "sorry, retracting bid" post a little later (especially if the auction ended and I was the winning bid) and nothing would be done to stop me, as there wasn't a 'contract' yet as no goods had traded hands. I was told that sort of behaviour would be a fast way of getting myself a forum ban for spamming.
Until you have a trade agreed, one side has sent the goods and the other doesn't, then the Admins take notice. Otherwise, no dice.
As for Pixels thread, it was a joke. You might not have appreciated it, or even thought it was funny, but humour is subjective. No one was scammed, and I realy don't think the intention was to scam anyone, so there is really nothing to complain about.
I've been reading through this thread, but tried to stay away from getting tangled further into this issue too much. However, I'd like to thank all those who supported and backed me up. I would also like to tell Mikel that I respect his view on this issue, even if it was only an April Fool's joke.
Happy 4th April !!! :D
Admin Edit: Stupid date format ;)
I wonder which Admin changed that? ;)
I'd like to take this time to go on a stodgy, humorless rant about admin abuse of power and general unfairness. But that's funny.
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