Wanted: input & ideas from veteran forgers (in General)


QBBarzooMonkey April 3 2006 12:51 PM EDT

I am so intrigued by {tscm}davis's and dudley's idea of a tournament for forgers, that I'd really like to find a way to make "davis & dudley's Forging Olympics" a viable contest. I'd love to hear from anyone interested, especially experienced forgers, with ideas, suggestions, constructive criticisms and potential caveats, in the hopes that I (we) can organize & run something cool and fun.

Here are some of my ideas, culled from yesterday's posts & mulled over for a day:
For control and fairness over the items forged, I (or whoever the final organizer would be) would acquire all of the base items to be forged (for now let's say for example, 8 rapiers [10x1](+0) since they are easy to obtain, for 8 contestants), and at the designated start time, I loan 1 to each of the contestant characters for 3 days.

The minimum forging required to qualify for the win would be, for example, Rapier [10x3](+2).
We would do this "blind" (no tracking thread) for the 3 days, so it would be difficult at the last minute to say, oh, I need $X NW added to win, I'll buy a bunch of BA now. It will be about much you are willing to dedicate, period.

Since the loaned items auto-return, there's no chance of switching your contest item for some uber-version you obtained some other way. When they return, they can be identified through the transfer logs, and by NW. Largest NW wins the pot.

Specific questions I have are about preventing use of the blacksmith, and the difference contestant forging characters' NW make, ways to keep things as fair as possible, and how much interest there is in this.
And please don't bother me with "it can't be done" - help me find a way. I'm already saddened by the fact that "mulled" got flagged by the spell check :P

TIA.

{cb1}dyno April 3 2006 1:09 PM EDT

It's an interesting idea. Here's part of the issue though: The prizes arent going to be high enough to make it worthwhile for people. For whatever reason, people have been dropping their forge fees to 60-65 percent, which is ludicrous if you think about it. After covering the 20 percent (15 i believe if you're in an economic clan) fee, you're only actually getting 50 percent. With a 600k mpr character, forging most of the hours of the day, I can pull 2-2.5 mil worth of forging in a week. 50 percent of that is 1-1.25 million. If someone doesn't buy ba and fights all week, they can make that from rewards alone, not to mention a) upping their tattoo level, and b) getting experience for their character.

I really wish there was a way to make forging more appealing. I'd like to do an olympics. However, I feel that unless you somehow get HUGE rewards, it's not going to be worth it, especially if everyone that doesn't win comes up empty handed. The only thing I could think of that would make it work (although it's a longshot) would be to have each forger work on something that they would be getting paid for, that way, even if they lose, they get some money from doing work for someone.

Another thing that would have to be done would be that each character used would have to be very close in MPR to make it fair. And NUB would have to not be allowed either, as Brice can forge 4 mil + a week with his despite only having a 450k mpr character.

Those are my current thoughts, if something else pops in my head I'll let you know :)

QBBarzooMonkey April 3 2006 1:15 PM EDT

Define "HUGE" rewards a little more, to give me a better idea, please. :)

{cb1}dyno April 3 2006 1:30 PM EDT

Well, think about it like this, Brice makes about 2-3 mil a week forging, I can make about 1.5 a week forging, most others make about 1-2 mil a week. So you need something that is enticing enough to make people want to not do their normal forge jobs, as well as risk not getting anything at all.

Sukotto [lookingglas] April 3 2006 1:53 PM EDT

Perhaps ask Jon for a special forging tourney item for you? Something otherwise useless that the blacksmith won't upgrade.

Tourney Medal [0] (-10% to all stats) nw $1

Once the game is over, they all go to Central Bank for disposal.

QBBarzooMonkey April 3 2006 1:54 PM EDT

So, would a mil or 2 in prizes for a 3 day forge contest be enticing?
Also, think about it the way I approach participating in a regular tournament, i.e. I still concentrate bought BA & the majority of "free" BA on my main character, and fit in my tournament fighting wherever I can, and still did well in the last one. I honestly don't know how forgers budget their time/BA, but I'm hoping that spending just a portion of 3 days' forging for a shot at a mil or 2 is enough to spark interest...

QBBarzooMonkey April 3 2006 1:56 PM EDT

Sukotto, I love that idea! Jonathan, are you paying attention? Interested in the idea even a little? :)

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] April 3 2006 2:58 PM EDT

Thats why i brought up the idea to make it so items could ONLY be forged, but it went with no further movement.

AdminShade April 3 2006 3:45 PM EDT

you can always check what a person's forging is by looking at both rankings (stats) and by checking out the transfer logs.

Adminedyit April 3 2006 3:53 PM EDT

"Thats why i brought up the idea to make it so items could ONLY be forged, but it went with no further movement."

Again i ask can you add 7 points to the "x" on my MH in 28 minutes a 5,355,112 increase in NW ?

BlueWolf April 3 2006 5:23 PM EDT

I honestly think that's a really good idea. good for you monkey, i hope your idea works. and the tourney medal, or useless item, is also a really good idea.

YNM April 3 2006 7:06 PM EDT

As stated before the only real way to get this to work is to make it so that people's forging range is equal. Obviously Brice or someone with a higher MPR would have the upper hand, how could we deal with that? Would we forge with base MPR minions only?

The other problem would be time/ba consumption, someone that doesn't go to school, work or otherwise would also have the upper hand. I know i have a time frame in which i cannot forge ( 6:50am - 6:00pm Central) and that is a large amount of time to not be forging.

Then of course if you have people with a set BA limit and same MPR/forge ability, you will end up with the same end NW of course disregarding forging mistakes.

This idea is pretty much bunk unless you can find a way to overcome those two big conflicts...

QBBarzooMonkey April 3 2006 7:12 PM EDT

So what part of please don't bother me with "it can't be done" is too sophisticated for you to grasp?

[Cb2]Fool April 3 2006 7:51 PM EDT

I think it's better to start with an NCB race at the same time and then forging. Reason? people forge with different Mpr which is not fair. Solution: race in given time to your maximum mpr? and then start to forge with it..Just a thought.

YNM April 3 2006 10:17 PM EDT

Did i say that? I believe i said that until those conflicts are dealt with it can't. They are two different things.

QBBarzooMonkey April 3 2006 10:31 PM EDT

You make it pointless to argue with you, because you just completely contradicted yourself with that statement.
Even so, The other problem would be time/ba consumption, someone that doesn't go to school, work or otherwise would also have the upper hand. I know i have a time frame in which i cannot forge ( 6:50am - 6:00pm Central) and that is a large amount of time to not be forging is irrelevant. That is the way everything is with CB - he/she who has the most time to burn BA, wins. Tough bounce. Please move on to trolling someone else's thread.

Sukotto [lookingglas] April 3 2006 11:39 PM EDT

With tongue in cheek, I rewrote the above comment as an (equally valid) comment against sporting events in general. :-)


As stated before the only real way [for the sports contest] to work is to make it so that people's [strength, speed, stammina, and agility are] equal. Obviously [more powerful athletes] would have the upper hand, how could we deal with that? Would we [run/swim/etc] with [clones of that one person] only?

The other problem would be time [availablity], someone that doesn't go to school, work or otherwise would also have [more time to train and prepare for the event]. I know i have a time frame in which i cannot [train] and that is a large amount of time to not be [training].

Then of course if you have people with [the same amount of time] and same [...] ability, you will end up with the same [time/height/distance/etc] of course disregarding [...] mistakes.

This idea is pretty much bunk unless you can find a way to overcome those two big conflicts...
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