RoBF needs boost (in General)


Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 4:53 AM EDT

I switched strats to a RoBF one cause i thought it might work based on the info in the wiki at the time but it wasnt right i ran some test and found it out to be way underpowered to be competitive or even useable 10% retal damage on melee attackers and 10% total fire absorbtion for the battle is just to little mostly at my level i was taking hits about 40K from none ToA tanks and dealling about 30K-35K from my flames after ac of course but that was nothing against most cause it didnt have an effect till melee now on the fire absorbtion it seemed that i could only absorb up to 10% of my tat level thats what 1 round against a 1 minion FB mage? and 2-3 against any other fb mage teams at my pr with mutiple minions and it doesnt just cap every round it caps for the battle say i can absorb 10K damage i get hit with 10K damage from a fireball in the first round wow now i can no longer absorb fire damage for the battle I think it needs some changes to be even useable like: Increase retal damage to about 20-30% Increase absorb cap to 20-30% Cap absorbtion every round not battle. Increase Aura to 50% (Maybe return evasion but maybe not) Some or all of the changes are needed to even make the RoBF useable and maybe even competative.

chelon May 3 2006 5:05 AM EDT

whats your max tattoo level?

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 5:09 AM EDT

when testing 419920

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 6:00 AM EDT

Well, I can't beat you now! ;)

QBRanger May 3 2006 6:42 AM EDT

And you just discovered that the RoBF is way underpowered just now?

Just do a search in the general forum with the terms 'RoBF/TBF' and 'underpowered' and there will be plenty of old threads you can read that describes what you redescribed just now

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 8:17 AM EDT

i was stating that i thought a strat i had in mind would work based on the info in the wiki and it didn't so i decided to find out the truth and i fixed thw wiki and made a post saying what i found and what could be done to fix the problem so ranger i am not stating that i didn't think it was underpowered just i thought i could make it work based on the wiki but i was wrong so i figured out what else was to and hoped that someone (Jon) might fix the RoBF to make it a bit more useful and posted reasonable ideas how i was just trying to help in every way possible so please leave your reactions like that to your self and take things the way they are please not the way you assume they are thanks

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 8:22 AM EDT

Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Faith [38806]
Violet Bier of Sorrows draws strength from his weapon! [6]
Faith's Guardian Angel smote Violet Bier of Sorrows (0)
Violet Bier of Sorrows burns from the flames surrounding Faith (9244)
Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Faith [38979]
Violet Bier of Sorrows burns from the flames surrounding Faith (8357)
Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Faith [41170]
Violet Bier of Sorrows burns from the flames surrounding Faith (8932)


I still can't beat you! :P

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 8:23 AM EDT

Actually, can we get this changed?

I killed faith on the first hit, but the RoBF continued to damage me for the others, while in essence Faith didn't take any more damage.

QBJohnnywas May 3 2006 8:26 AM EDT

That's the downside of multi strikes! You were hitting him so fast you didn't realise he was dead!

QBJohnnywas May 3 2006 8:27 AM EDT

Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Faith [38806]
Violet Bier of Sorrows draws strength from his weapon! [6]
Faith's Guardian Angel smote Violet Bier of Sorrows (0)
Violet Bier of Sorrows burns from the flames surrounding Faith (9244)
Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Faith [38979]
Violet Bier of Sorrows burns from the flames surrounding Faith (8357)
Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Faith [41170]
Violet Bier of Sorrows burns from the flames surrounding Faith (8932)
Violet Bier of Sorrows stops to check Faith's pulse [0]

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 8:28 AM EDT

lol are you really trying to get one of the good points about the RoBF changed? come on like it needs another nerf lol but really it does make since to have still damage cause you are still in the fire correct your guy is just to stupid to not stop hitting a dead body lol got to love single tank sindrom right

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 8:33 AM EDT

I'm sure this was changed for GA. If I hit and you're dead, I don't get any VA drain back. I don't see why your cloak should still damage me. If so, why can't I then stop hitting after my first stirke kills your minion?

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] May 3 2006 8:35 AM EDT


You are obsessed? You lack control? You are a "make sure he's dead!" kind of guy? There are any number of reasons, really.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 8:35 AM EDT

Why am I penalised for having a higher dex than your minion, or a high pth?

The cloak needs to be improved, but this application of it is wonky.

QBJohnnywas May 3 2006 8:36 AM EDT

I dunno, I think it's kind of cool that you think the RoBF is overpowered in some way... ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 8:36 AM EDT

Obsessed I might be, but my minion isn't silly. Continuing to hit a flaming firey thing for no reason is silly. ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 3 2006 8:38 AM EDT

Oh no, not overpowered. :) I think it sohuldn't continue to return damage after it's wearer is dead. But I still think it needs to be improved.

Besides, I know the reason I'm losing to it, and it's my choice! :P

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 8:38 AM EDT

lack of IQ maybe lol ummm.... cloak since when or beter yet since not when or whatever but yeah i guess you have a point but kill it more why would you want to do such a thing ah o well as long as it gets fixed i don't really care but it needs fix

PS cause of testing i had to rent weapons smaller and i have no armor so there lol not to forget the ink fee lol

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] May 3 2006 8:45 AM EDT

"RoBF needs boost"

By the same logic as in your first post, I could claim that slings, DCMs and daggers need boosts.

Also one situation where RoBF is weak does not say much. The fact is that it can be used effectively, even if only very rarely.
If you want resistance from DD, get TSA/MgS, train AMF, train a meatshield.
If you want to retaliate against the damage done to you, train GA.
If you think the added edge to either of these attributes would be more helpful to you than any other tattoo, then get an RoBF.

I myself tried to use one when they first came out. Everyone said they were wimpy, horrible weapons... unfortunately, everyone was right.

Although, one of the first things to look for in any strategy is what advantages do you have that your opponent does not (don't underestimate the importance of that). In other words, do you have anything that is both unique and powerful... get one of these things to work well, especially with higher MPR characters and you'll be an awful lot better off than someone with a slighty stronger ToA or RoS.

In conclusion, yeah, RoBF is a horrible weapon by itsel.
But it's my kind of weapon, it's fault is that it doesn't work well for most strategies, so base your strategy around it and if you're any good, you'll have a very nice character before long.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 4:02 PM EDT

lol yeah yeah but i still want it to be fixed even the triple hitting part of it but it needs to be fixed

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 3 2006 4:04 PM EDT

Jon set it to be on every hit as of the last change, I don't think it's going to be changed back.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 3 2006 4:18 PM EDT

no the every hit is good i was talking about the hitting of dead minions mutiple times since GA and VA have been fix to this point that seems reasonable but i want the tattoo itself fixed even keep it underpowered just make it more usefull lol
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