Clans - What are they all about then? (in General)

Vicious Cat May 5 2006 9:31 AM EDT

As above - I've been thinking about joining a clan, but I'm not sure why.
As far as I can see, it cuts down your favourites list drastically, in all probability you'll be fighting down excessively, people beat you up far more, and all for the nebulous advantage of maybe getting a bit of a bonus for the next hour or so.
Is it worth it (given that I spend around 500-600 BA per day) or am I better off worrying about the state of my underpants?

BlueWolf May 5 2006 9:34 AM EDT

Clans give you nice little bonuses, and to some people it is worth it, but that is really your own opinion.
as for cutting down on your favorites list, that's not true. you get clan points for fighting anyone. so it's a nice little bonus for the people who fight every day.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 5 2006 10:06 AM EDT

Clans help better chars, (theoretically) and hurt lesser ones.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 5 2006 10:09 AM EDT

yeah the way i see it if you keep around 75% on your cp in your net points your char is good but less than that it needs work but thats just how i determine it

Vicious Cat May 5 2006 10:56 AM EDT

ermmm, cheers Drakon, I'm not sure if I completely understand what you're saying, but you seem enthusiastic about it, so that's ok :-)
So, how do I go about looking for a clan that will take me?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 5 2006 10:57 AM EDT

start with who you know, that way if you take a day off they will be less likely to kick you (or more likely depending. heheh).

AdminShade May 5 2006 11:16 AM EDT

Drakon(DS) so how do you account for being popular to be attacked a lot by other characters who are better than you?

Using your reasoning it would make 75% of the players having a 'bad' character...

velvetpickle May 5 2006 11:23 AM EDT

Clans.... wow this could be a long one.

First of all most of the negatives you listed in your original post are mostly true... you do get beat up far more, if you are fighting only 3 point clan members, your fightlist is chopped drastically, and you will most likely be fighting down some.

That being said their are a variety of reasons clans are formed, and people join them.

The first reason would be for the clan bonus:

I was fighting with Supreme Fight Club before we disbanded. We were consistently a top 5 clan. That equated to roughly an additional 11% bonus to all my rewards. At the time I had my Nub and was averaging around $500/fight before the clan bonus... In my last month with the clan I had over 100k clan points which means roughly 33k fights in the month. At $500/fight that would have meant $16.5mil in rewards, the clan bonus gave me roughly $1.8mil extra in rewards over one month.

The second reason is a close bond:

All clans should have this to some extent, but some clans are formed solely based on the principal that it is a formal grouping of you and your closest friends on CB. It allows you to band together with players you are friends or are friendly with. It gives you a tighter bond with certain players. Clan points are still important, but would not be the most important factor... as such clan rewards will be lesser or non-existent as well.

Another reason would be competition:

Joining a clan gives you a variety of new areas to compete with other players. You can compete within your own clan for daily/weekly/monthly clan MVP status, some clans even have weekly and monthly contests and prizes for MVPs. These MVP rankings are also tracked for all players in the game, so it allows you the opportunity to compete with other players in the game you normally couldn't even see in the distance. (Imagine me being ahead of Ranger, Dawg, Mantra etc. etc. in any other category beside clan MVP for a whole month!) And of course there is the daily "team comptition" of clan rankings. Clan stats are updated hourly, so it is probably one of the fast changing stats in the game, allowing you to see almost immediate results, and constant competition.

As I stated in the begining of this extremly long post, most of the negatives you had mentioned are somewhat true of clan life, but depending on what you are looking to get out of a clan, the rewards you will reap outweigh those negatives if you choose your clan wisely, and put in the same ammount of effort as the rest of your team.

If you join a "friendly clan" who is not overly concerned with ranking and CP's, you will most likely not do a great deal of fighting down. With all other clans, the rewards should outweigh or at the least ballance out the rewards you loose by fighting down. If you are a serious player, being a part of a clan should give you a sense of responsibility to the other members of your clan. A side affect of that responsibilty is that in addition to the clan bonus you should find yourself using more BA per day/week/month than you would otherwise. This is ultimately more beneficial than any bonuses or customized fightlists.

If you decide that the only reason you want to join a clan is the bonus, and want 10% or greater, 500 - 600 BA/ day will most likely not be enough to have a clan in the top 10, nor will most existing top 10 clans recruit a player that only uses that ammount of BA. You should be trying to use 1100 - 1200 BA/day if you want that type of status and bonus, but any char wishing to progress in CB should invest the same effort regardless of clan status.

Hope this answers your questions and those of any other players wondering the same thing. As long as this post was, I am sure there are MANY other reasons people choose to join clans, and some may even have more relevance.

QBBarzooMonkey May 5 2006 11:26 AM EDT

So, how do I go about looking for a clan that will take me?

Come apply and be a Misfit!

velvetpickle May 5 2006 11:48 AM EDT

Clans help better chars, (theoretically) and hurt lesser ones.

--{cb1}novice, 10:06 AM EDT

I wouldn't neccesarily agree with that.... I would say more realistically clans help more active players and hurt less active... If you are in a clan where all players invest the same amount of effort, and receive a consistent bonus%....

good or bad, if you earn enough CP's in a day, you will not be attacked enough to bring your net below a reasonable amount.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 5 2006 11:53 AM EDT

vp my point was in regards to having to fight down to earn clanpoints. A well build well funded char doesn't have to fight down as much.

velvetpickle May 5 2006 11:59 AM EDT

ie... TAB??? lol

NSFY May 5 2006 1:15 PM EDT

I can only speak for one clan and I would have to say that it is all about Teh Spookeh!

maulaxe May 5 2006 3:52 PM EDT

"Clans help better chars, (theoretically) and hurt lesser ones."

I agree with this, but I do think that there is a difference in what constitutes a "better" character when you consider clans. If you have a char that can fight waaay above it's PR, it means that it has a strat that is very specific - but also meaning that it will be vulnerable to people much lower than it because of the Rock/Paper/Scissors basis of CB. A well-rounded char will not get farmed nearly as much as a focused char.

that said, you can always out-fight your farmers if all else fails... but not being farmed in the first place is much, much easier.

Mikel May 5 2006 6:45 PM EDT

I use my list of people that hit me to find new targets :)
Once I notice you are losing to me, you get put in My favorites. Then again, Clans are great for active people. It is hard to get negative points unless you aren't hitting other clan members. Even for me, and I get hit a lot.

QBsutekh137 May 5 2006 7:06 PM EDT

Everyone probably thinks they know what I am going to say. I'm not.

Clans have the following advantages:

- Clan bonus. It's pretty easy to get at least 10%. That is very nice, especially at the high end where rewards can suck.
- Comraderie. If you find people you like, and they don't bail (nor you), it is a fun little thing. It's a clan, after all.
- More stats to excel at (if you are a heavy player).

Disadvantages (kind of related to each above):

- The bonus means you may have to fight down if you are a mid-level character. Case in point, check out the character Queen Bee. She and I have been neck-and-neck for some time as far as MPR. I check her fight list (as well as I can using 24 battle summary) frequently, and have seen some very low characters there (pre ToE). It was then that I understood how I was staying with her even though she was using an RoE (at the time) and part of a decent clan while I am not -- her clan gains went all but up in smoke with her having to fight down. Now, if you are in the Top Ten, then you have to fight down anyway. If you are mid-level with plenty of upward prospects, clans bonuses are a wash, IMO.
- You will be back-stabbed. You will be told to your face by someone you thought was just having fun like you, "Hey, I left the clan to get better rewards or start this new, hip, cool clan", or worse, get kicked out because you can't meet demands. That means planning all BA, timing your purchased BA, knowing all times of all cache flushes, weekly clan resets, and bonus times. That means absolutely having to find other clans to beat, and trying to avoid other clans farming you. That, in my opinion, is the very definition of sucking the fun-marrow right out of CB's bones. However, other people get off on minutae. Makes them feel like they are actually "working" instead of just mindlessly clicking (me, I gave into admitting it was mindless clicking before CB2 was probably an idea in Jon's head).
- The stats are fun, until you realize it is all an unnecessary layer on top of the game. Basically, clans are now, "Oh well, I better join to get that bonus," without even thinking (I am very glad this thread even got started!) A lowest-common-denominator elevated to idolatry. Inanity turned asinine.

But if you are all about bonus and growth, especially at high levels, then you probably want to give it a try. Me? I think clans are stupid (you know I still had to say it... *smile*)

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] May 5 2006 7:40 PM EDT

What are they all about? The fun. There's a much higher chance you'll be farming somebody who will complain to you about it -- this is how I meet all the cool people. :)

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 5 2006 11:54 PM EDT

nice bast lol
ummm.....Shade well let me put it like this when you have a good strat ie you can fight up like 5K-100K pr easly then you wont get attack by people in that range and below so you only have to worry about the really big wigs who most likly you wont pop up on the clan search cause of your pr diffence ie you keep most of you cps in net points

Elros May 5 2006 11:58 PM EDT

Why joining a clan? I will do that shortly.Why not? I will do some basic math.For a NUB character reward can be(by fight) :1000$ and 300xp (for a 2 minions team).With a clan bonus of 14% =1140$ and 342 xp.Its really worth it.

jayuu May 6 2006 3:26 AM EDT

Bast used to farm me. Does that make me cool?

I joined a clan to meet girls. Then I realized there's no girls in my clan. :(

Phrede May 6 2006 5:33 AM EDT

... but do you really know, Jay :-)

velvetpickle May 6 2006 1:47 PM EDT

/me is starting a new clan called "swinging singles" so you can meet some girls
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