I noticed USD going for $9 a Mil. Then i thought about it, Jon has been sending alot of money into the circulation and not much is going back to him.

I think i remember that he once had like 600mil or more? now he has a little more than 230mil.

People can pull in like 1mil weekly with 500-700fights daily.

And since Ranger sold out (don't know who would buy the character, most can't afford it even with USD.) a lot more USD for CB$ has been flowing around.

Will Jon make the CB2 for USD price rise again? I think he should by letting the money sit in central bank unless if CB economy starts to have USD over like $15.

Boo to

USDBLENDER

I want

CarnageBlender!

Jon doesn't care one iota about the US to cb price ratio, and I don't think he should. Any attempts to artificially control that market would likely be grusome.

this game isn't gonna last much longer.

What I'd like to see is, instead of effort put into manipulating the game economy, effort put into a change month with some substantial changes, so everyone has something more interesting to talk about, so we don't have to revisit this same, tired, lame subject every other month!

theres no time to make changes when you hand out $60million in cash prizes and buy 5 items for 100+mill. Dont you understand that?

ABA what are you talking about?

How does the recent release of the central bank floodgates foreshadow a complete break down? What possible reason is there for you to suggest our doom?

I'm more in for a balance between mages and tanks in the economy. That's what I campaign for =D

pixel, you still have yet to prove an unbalance...
Show me a decent tank strat and I'll show you someone wiping the floor
with low NW mages.

the above shows how there is no progress in the game. all you people do is argue and ask jon for changes...

The game is not going to end just because of USD/CB ratio... The vast majority of people who play do not buy CB2. There are enough sink holes in the game to erase money from circulation. The money Jon has put back into the game will be sunk in many things like blacksmithing, ammo, and transfer fees to name a few. In any economy there are high times when everyone has money and there are times when people do not have so much money. Once again, Carnage Blender will not fail because of USD.

In economic terms, "what goes up must come down."

what goes up goes down....but will it go up again? from what it looks like...it wont.

why are you always complaining about something ABA....

It's last day of May and still no changes made... Jon must be busy with his new job.

USD has been a part of CB for longer than most of us have been playing the game, and it certainly outdates Cb2 by a _lot_

if it were going to cause the game to shut down, would it not have done so a looooong time ago?

$9USD:1m CBD is low?

it was only $10:1m for as long as I can remember on Cb1...not too much of a change there.

Thread closed.

forum banned ABA.

and re central bank, I just wiped out $400M or so that didn't seem necessary to hang on to any longer. :)

/me does a trollish shuffle off in the other direction (in fear of losing his own gibbering privs)

a little harsh on the ban jon..i believe he is playing devils advocate..but on the very extreme side..just like repubs and democrats...high usd price vs low usd price..hes just arguing the main..extreme..i think usd should settle at around 12-13 usd..thats where it "should" be at..but yes what goes up must come down..

"i think usd should settle at around 12-13 usd..thats where it "should" be at"
--{cb1}Bull3t F4c3, 12:37 AM EDT

What you think has no bearing on the current exchange rate between CB and USD.

Exchange rates are determined by the relative supply and demand of different currencies. In this case, the supply of CB is determined by the amount of fights (additive) and cash sinks like transfer fees (subtractive). A more accurate picture of the CB supply is represented by individuals whom are exchanging CB currency for USD. Recently, there has been an increase of available CB due to a few major "cash outs." The supply of CB is high and, thus, the price is low.

In a few weeks the USD:CB ratio will increase. Later it may drop, or increase again, or bottom out. My point is, you as individual, have no bearing on the CB to USD currency exchange.

It should be noted that individuals like Freed COULD have an impact on the ratio, due to the large percent of available CB they own.

But really, Bull3t F4c3, what would I expect from a teenager who uses l33t in his username?

there are too many people who don't use USD, like me there is a reason though, its a game, you don't money to play a game, thats why i stopped playing runescape,you need money.

lol deifeln...i am not as ignorant as you portray me, and i dont care about what you think about what i think...Am I not allowed to put in my 2 cents? I never said that "12-13 usd IS the standard"...i said i think thats what it should be as in what I value it at...also..a name is a name? you would respect a person less if there name was Bull3t_f4c3 than deifeln? that makes no sense about how you assume..thats just like calling some one ignorant because their name is Bob instead of Rob...what else could "I" expect from a 40 year old sitting at home and trying to pick on younger people just because they do not seem to hold as much knowledge as you. I do not need to be lectured..put in what you think about the game and not about me and let the game flow. We dont need flame wars...

There's a difference between defending yourself and stoking the fire of the flamer.

Correct Ex. "I'm entitled to my own opinion, chill out."
Bad Ex. " RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR*snarl*"

Anyway, you get the idea.. Lets leave it at that and not push for multiple bannings in a single thread.

"What I'd like to see is, instead of effort put into manipulating the game economy, effort put into a change month with some substantial changes, so everyone has something more interesting to talk about, so we don't have to revisit this same, tired, lame subject every other month!" - Barzoo Monkey

I really hope Jon read your post, it's getting more stale than 6 month old chips around here.

Wow, all this discussion and arguments in a thread talking about singing. And not even a single comment on singing up a blender, whatever that may mean.

BTW, I think CB2 is fine for the moment, and as long as new blood is constantly arriving it will continue to be fine. I would also love to see some new changes and a little spice added, but that is completely Jon's call.

Let's all just get along and serenade our appliances! Come on!

hey BulletFace no flame intended but what deifeln said was the basics of Supply and Demand the root to economics, if this was a communist economy than jon would have all the money and limit us all, but its not, so because the supply of CB is so high right now, people just need to lower prices to make it more competitive so they can get their USD faster, and yes if they wait a little bit and sell than when the supply isnt so high i am sure they can make more USD's per mill but really thats like a difference of $3/mill, if CB was at like $30/mill and than just dropped to 9/mill than that should make more sense for this thread, but as of now this is just Economics at its best.

So my advice is right now if you are going to buy CB using USD than buy right now while its low.

I almost decided against responding to your post. I have decided that I am willing to accept any consequences for replying to it.

I will reply to each of your fragmented thoughts in turn.

lol deifeln...i am not as ignorant as you portray me,

Please, my intention was not to make you appear ignorant. In fact, there is no need for me to do this as you make yourself look quite ignorant through your use of ellipses in lieu of paragraphs and proper sentences.

and i dont care about what you think about what i think

Though you declare you "dont (sic) care about what you think about what i think," I expect that you'll reply to this post in some way. This will prove to me and the CB community that you "care about what I think about what you think."

...Am I not allowed to put in my 2 cents?

Am I not?

I never said that "12-13 usd IS the standard"...i said i think thats what it should be as in what I value it at

Did you read my previous post?

...also..a name is a name?

Is this meant to be a question? I will assume it is not.

you would respect a person less if there name was Bull3t_f4c3 than deifeln?

Yes.

that makes no sense about how you assume..thats just like calling some one ignorant because their name is Bob instead of Rob

No it is not. I jokingly implied that you were not aware of basic economic principles because your username was in l33t. Your example would read better if you said, "that's just like calling some one ignorant because their name is |3()|o instead of Bob."

...what else could "I" expect from a 40 year old

I am far from 40.

sitting at home and trying to pick on younger people

Again, this was not my intention.

just because they do not seem to hold as much knowledge as you.

Wow.

I do not need to be lectured

Yet, as a CB seller, you felt the need to chime in and lecture Jon about about how harsh you felt his forum ban was and lecture the community about the price you felt CB should be.

..put in what you think about the game and not about me and let the game flow.

In my defense, when you make inane comments about the game, you open the door for comments to be made about you. I apologize if I hurt your feelings, but I expect my last, sarcastic remark hit home a bit because you realize how your post made you come across to our community. In the future, when you make comments about the game and its creator in a post where one person has already been forum banned, use some thought. (Disclaimer: All forum posts do not need to be thought out in my opinion. This is a game and I feel that our community recognizes that. However, for some posts, we should try to use more discretion. Perhaps I should have used some myself and not made my previous post in this thread. At the time, I wanted to put an end to silly remarks about the naturally fluctuating exchange rate of CB to USD.

We dont need flame wars...

I agree. This will be my last post on this matter.

I feel there are two significant changes from CB1 to CB2 that have made CB cash have less of an impact on the game, and why there is an abundance of it floating around.

Before I continue, this isn't a whine, I don't necessarily think there is anything wrong, I'm just making an observation.

First, the increase of power that Mages originally got. The DD damage forumla was changed in favour of mages. Persoanlly I think this was needed. :)

It has though, allowed players to make characters that can compete (if not dominate) with a minimal cash investment.

Next is the NUB. Inflated cash rewards means there is more cash coming into the game than there was in CB1.

Where is this extra cash going? We've had an increase on the amount of BA able to be purchased and some items can't be forged only balcksmithed, but maybe that isn't enough.

If having a lot more cash floating around is actually a problem, then why don't come up with some suggestions for more cash sinks?

Let's be constructive! :D

Constructive thought instead of whining......

I'll buy that for a dollar!

Not much of a cash sink though Johnny! ;) Only a dollar?

Hey I'm poor, I've been running a tank for 6 months without USD!

UC tanks are only half as expensive as full tanks! ;) What have you been doing with your cash?

Renting the biggest bows I could use. Renting large Helms and Elven Boots until I could buy or upgrade my own. Buying ammo. That last one especially. You don't realise how much it adds up....what's a tank to do eh?

"You don't realise how much it adds up"

Too true, cuz I'm a Mage at heart! Fire people up, collect cash and move on. That's all I need to do! ;)

The biggest cash sink in any economy is the dilution of wealth. If you want to sink cash somewhere, do it in other people. As the wealth spreads out among people here, the economy will stabilize. There is only one real way to have the wealth spread out (since camping is gone), and that's via USD. Forging for hire doesn't really help in the spread too much given the large BA investment required.

It would probably be most beneficial to look at the amount of active cash compared to the number of active users, then compare that to the wealth distribution.

1. I nevered lectured Jon. There is a difference between lecturing and opinion.

2. Ok. Take a person less seriously because their name is in l337 speak. But Im wondering if that makes you an online bigot?

3. Yes. you can put in your 2 cents, but why do you have to come after me rather than comment on the topic?

and this is also my last post on this...peace and elipsis /-\ |2 3 K3\/\/ |_

Great idea for Mage armor, Make it so that the more + you add the less the penalties to magic it becomes,

Let's say base MCM gives a penalty of 20% to magic, but an MCM with +60 would give only 2% penalties, something along those lines, make it so Mages have to raise their armor quite high to do any good.

It really doesnt take USD to have a high NW in something, look at my MH for example. It is at ~38 mil NW, and i have not bought or sold one thing for USD, i forged it all the way from 16 mil myself, all it takes is time.

smallpau1, I like your mage armor idea. Sounds like a possible idea to add to my own list =D. Regarding your forging, you did say that YOU forged it, meaning you also spent time to do so, implying less experience was gained. Of course, you could start an NCB after... iono.

exactly, i thought of the idea before, just never threw it out there, but yea, just forge (For, lets say, 3 months) after NUB or NCB, then make another NCB (can you do this?) and use the things you forged.

thats a really good idea Bullet...i like that alot!!!

Where is money going that tanks are earning? If I wasn't in the middle of a money grubbing NCB I'd be able to add a really impressive amount of NW each week just using the BS, not to mention instas and the like.
Mages really do have to spend to compete, the idea that they don't seems silly. Besides a low NW tank team has almost more options than a low nw mage team, considering you have a clear choice between TSA and UC for easy to do simple effective strats at REALLY low NW. A TSA-MgS/RoS 4 minion team with GA and hearty AMF can expect to ruin even high NW mages (did you hear me complaining then with my 50 mil NW!!!). What you folks are describing is the biggest mage nerf ever, crippling the current balance system by weakening all the best scissors.

This thread is not about Mages vs Tanks. It's about whether or not you have to use USD to compete. The fact is, you do. Regardless of whether you use a Mage or a Tank, you need to pour USD into the game to get a hold of the $CB to buy the things you need. A tank has to buy a weapon and armor, while a mage has to buy hordes of BA, possibly AG's and maybe a few other items. Either way, you need cash. And you won't make enough unless you have a NUB (the NCB doesn't generate extra cash). If you want to keep up with people (and, ideally, overtake them, as that's the ultimate goal, to be #1), you need USD.

You don't need USD to compete with a Mage team. Hopefully I'll prove this (if Sutekh already hasn't... Check out his team. No USD spent.) with my next NCB charcater.

You don't need to spend USD to have a competitive Mage team.

Sure, you need USD if you want to make _one_ NCB char, start out with no items, and expect to have some x130 +200 beast of a melee weapon and 350+ AC on your tank all in one go...

but the truth is, you dont need to do it all in one go, you can make a NCB every 4 months, in each of those 4 months, why not focus on a specific piece of gear you want to upgrade?

(the above works very well if you dont spend $$$ on BA every day, and even doing so, a NCB char can get to about 600k MPR fighting only a decent amount of fights each day)

The USD spenders might still outspend you, but you reach a point with weapons/armor where upgrading just doesnt do too much more (unless you have the cash to create a 500m NW ELB)

I am beautiful.


Mages need no USD to hit the top. The decreased strategic element is the trade-off. If you have no money at all, you entirely wasted your New User Bonus, which is your fault. If you didn't have one, you had months to make money. If you weren't here, why do you expect reward for lack of effort? And finally, if you have the small amount needed to make a Mage, you are set. NCB BA is not that big of a deal. Seriously.



I am going back to my meditation, do not disturb.


I'll make a conclusion here, actually. Consider this a 'P.S.' - If you have no money, you wasted it. If you have a little, you can make a mage. If you have a lot, you can make a stronger mage or a weaker tank. If you have a truckload, you can make a superbly powerful tank. Or, if you are willing to sacrifice some of your hard-earned cash, you can give yourself an advantage and make whatever you want. If you guys haven't realized it yet, the people with the cash/willing to use the cash generally have an advantage, PERIOD. God forbid that carry over into a game.


If your complaint is that you are too young to spend USD, you most likely are also not paying rent for your house, buying your food, paying your bills, or anything else to that effect. Wait until you grow up and have to spend your money on that, and consider what you will do with what is left. There's always a small sacrifice, nothing is entirely free. The sacrifice may be smaller or larger for others, but it is there nonetheless.


There *IS* no USD debate, just some people who are unable to grasp the concept that reality can carry over into a game.




Now I'll go back into my meditation. And remember, I am beautiful.

There is no issue with USD. It only seems like there is because once someone spends USD they commit more to their character and earn there way to the top. It is possible to get there without USD, assuming you have the heart to do it.

I haven't spent ANY US on the game aside from my supportership.

I have a Tank focused team with decent armor (Corn, AG's, EB's, EG's) a fairly basic weapon ( Malleus Maleficarum [84x80] (+50) ) named MH, and a LVL 1 million+ named Toa.

My NUB expired about a month ago. I purchased every BA I could during that nub period, and continue to do so now. I would not say my character is the best, but he holds his own pretty well for a first time player.

Could I spend $100USD to buy 4th new minion, finish off my armor set, and jump up to a nicer weapon? Of course..... Do I feel the need to do that? not at all.

Anyone playing this game that is complaining about "you can't be competitve without spending USD" check your fight history... As of today I have challenged in 166,359 battles. That is roughly an average of 1100 challenged fights per day every day for 5 months. Take into account that for my first few weeks playing I didn't buy any BA (huge mistake), and that I have done over 8mil worth of forging... and that is a fairly respectable number.

If you expect to put in a few hundered fights a day, skip a few days here and there, and not spend USD, you're right you won't be competitve no matter what strat you use. If that is your complaint, CB may not be the optimal game for you.... maybe stick to solitare or pac man.

I know my last post was pretty brief, but something else just came to me.

Rather than complaining about the current exchange rate of USD - CB$, and expecting Jon to work it out for you....

Why not take it upon yourself to do something about it. Given the basic laws of supply and demand, the greater the supply the lower the value right....

Anyone who is not satisfied with the current rate, buy up all the $CB that are for sale. That will lower the available supply... Now you can determine what "you" feel is a fair selling price and make some money on all that $CB you were able to buy so cheap. If you don't care enough to invest your own money and time to fix it, then don't complain about it :P

I like the challenge, that's why I play CB. I want to defeat Mages and Tanks, and I do this without US$ investment. That's the real challenge, and that's also the real fun. If there was no challenge then the game would be boring.
Currently it definitely IS fun for me because I have my personal challenge with Mage-Teams :)

Don't take CB toooooo serious, it's just a game, it's supposed to be fun and to relax. Make the best out of it, and if you don't like it then leave it, but please don't make CB mad to others just because you can't take it yourself.

(This post is adressed to everybody who feels adressed by it. bark bark)