Testing services (in Contests)

AdminNightStrike July 14 2006 11:46 AM EDT

$10k to the first person who can do the following:

Unequip any gloves and note the PR. Equip a Cesti +X and note the new PR. Equip TG +X and note the new PR. Equip Cesti +(X + 1) and note the new PR.

[I put this in FS/WTB, but then I remembered that Shade did something similar here a while back. Either way, I'll pay $10k to the first person to deliver the answer.]

Nerevas July 14 2006 3:37 PM EDT

I can tell you right now tulkas will add 50% more PR than cesti will for any equal + enchantment

AdminShade July 14 2006 3:38 PM EDT

Nerevas, that can't be true since the NW of any equal + enchantment on both items is different.

AdminShade July 14 2006 3:39 PM EDT

Question: how do we get the TG's and Cesti?

Nerevas July 14 2006 3:52 PM EDT

"A PR weight of N now means that for every plus of enchantment on the item, your PR will increase by N% of the xp on the minion equipping it."

I interpret that as, it deals purely with the enchantment +'s and not the networth itself.

I seem to remember reading the formula for it in the wiki too but I can't seem to find it atm..

{Quitter}Gah July 14 2006 6:58 PM EDT

no gloves-311,746
cesti +3- 312,349
tg+13- 315,657
cesti+4- 312,549

{Quitter}Gah July 14 2006 6:59 PM EDT

oh you meant the same + for the tulkas oops

QBOddBird July 14 2006 7:02 PM EDT

Either way, the Cesti appear to be adding less PR than the TGs.

AdminNightStrike July 14 2006 7:57 PM EDT

Gah, as mentioned in the CM, either that's a typo or doesn't fit the above scenario. It's very close, though, to what I ask. If you're using Cesti +3 and +4, then you would need TG +3.

Shade, that's up to you.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] July 14 2006 8:55 PM EDT

each + on a cesti adds 0.1% of that minions mpr to your total pr, whereas Tulka's add 0.15%, it really doesn't need any testing as if directed at multi-minion teams it is difficult to work out due to having to gather all experience and find how much that minion makes up the team, if directed at single minions this is plainly just worked out using the basic formula on the mpr.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] July 14 2006 8:58 PM EDT

I forgot to add.
"either way, using the formula is how it is done. Due to there being no armour allowance there are no secret numbers in there and this is a completely linear problem meaning testing is a waste of time"

AdminNightStrike July 14 2006 9:01 PM EDT

Well, Zoglog, if that's the way you feel, you don't have to participate. I'm paying $10k for the time used by people who want it. And, to be honest, if you actually try to apply the formula in the wiki to your character, you'll find that it's way off.

Gah, you're the closest with what I wanted to know. I'll send you 10k, since it didn't occur to me that it might be hard for people to get a hold of a set of TG.

Does anyone have a TG+3 that could be loaned to Gah for an hour? I will pay xfer fees plus a bonus to both.

AdminNightStrike July 14 2006 9:05 PM EDT

Zoglog, rereading your post, that can't be even slightly true. If it were, then a pair of leather gloves +1 would add the same amount of PR as a pair of Cesti +1. They don't.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] July 14 2006 9:09 PM EDT

well I unequipped everything from my single tank except for my +10 TG's.
I multiplied my MPR by 1.015 (adding 1.5%) and the result was only about 1k above my actual pr which at 350k is less than 0.3%, there may be a small other factor involved but hardly anything to make a huge difference.

AdminNightStrike July 14 2006 9:13 PM EDT

From the Wiki:

Armor that has been enchanted increases PR on a per-minion basis. The PR increase from armors higher than base is determined by the armor's PR weight and the armor's level of enchantment. Given a minion with power P, armor with enchantment N, and a PR weight of W, the adjusted power of a minion is: P * (1 + (W * N / 100))

I applied that formula to myslef, and it was way off.

Regarding what you are suggesting, does that mean that you think that leather gloves and cesti at the same level of enchantment will add the same PR? You tried +10 TG. Do you have anything else that's the same PR weight and same enchantment?

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] July 14 2006 9:20 PM EDT

Using that formula did you use your MPR or did you remember to find out how much of that mpr was taken up by the minion wearing the cesti?
If you read it properly it says that minion only which means using my previous description you need to work out the total experience on that minion in relation to the total experience across both minions before you do anything.

AdminNightStrike July 14 2006 10:25 PM EDT

hmm... Your point is valid. I did not factor in the fact that I have two minions.

I will cede the point if you answer me this: Will a pair of leather gloves +10 add the same PR as an Adam +10, A Cesti +10, a Tower Shield +10, a Mithril Shield +10, and all the other armor pieces that are all PR weight 0.1 and enchantment +10?

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] July 14 2006 10:43 PM EDT

No, I also concede my strong statement.
Nw does play a part in the PR weighting but unless there is a drastic difference in NW between the items of same enchantment then the difference in pr added is trivial.

{Quitter}Gah July 14 2006 11:12 PM EDT

nah, it was not a typo I just misread; already trained and sold the cesti to the store though.. sorry for getting you excited about it

It's gonna be hard to find cesti and TGs at similar +es, did you check to see if there were other items that you could test? Might be easier to test other types of items that have different pr weights.

Did you try asking the people that have the top cesti's?

Pair of Cesti: top 50
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+13) owned by DAWG (Parasite)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+12) owned by BarzooMonkey (She-Wolves)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+12) owned by Grant (Empty Stash 3)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+11) owned by quacktrumpet (Pirchu)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+10) owned by bakaroba (BakaRoba)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+10) owned by JaggedFel311 (The Hand of Thrawn)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+10) owned by Private Johnson (Black Velvet)
A Pair of Cesti [5] (+10) owned by QBsutekh137 (Parker)
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