Complaint to ADMIN: Religion-bashing minion names (in Public Record)


chuck1234 September 5 2006 10:34 PM EDT

I wish to register a complaint about the username "Jeronus" who has an active character "Jeronus" since his minions are named "Jesus Christ" and "Elijah".

A sample from the fight sheet gives the following details:

Ledessun skewered Jesus Christ [75141]
Jesus Christ missed Ledessun
R.I.P. Jesus Christ

Ledessun struck deep into Elijah [84207]
R.I.P. Elijah

These are offensive to religious sensibilities; hence I request ADMIN to force him to change these names, as he is not willing to do so on polite requests.

SBW September 5 2006 10:36 PM EDT

I concur.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 5 2006 11:00 PM EDT

You're the one shooting JC...j/k

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] September 5 2006 11:00 PM EDT

I have to admit I disagree. Well the Jesus Christ one is a little tough to "defend" in this manner, but in the end, many, many of the people in the United States and abroad for that matter are named from people in the bible. If we disallow Elijah, we would have to disallow Michael, John, and a whole host of other names. If a person joins CB and their name is Michael, and he wants to name his minion Michael, how can we possibly disallow that? And you say no that is ridiculous, then what if their name is Elijah?

And what if they named their minions Buddha or Bodhisattva. Must we now all learn up on all our religions to police minion names, or just the ones from the more popular religions?

In the end you open an entirely new can of worms when you begin to force religious reverence on people. If there was anything even slightly non-PG about those names this would be a non-issue, but they are as G as it gets.

I sympathize with those people who feel strongly about the reverence of those religious icons. I myself hold some of that same reverence. I guess my only decent solution is to turn off the battle report and then you will never see the words you do not like, because I cannot see this as anything but trouble, no matter how decent the request may seem.

Stephen September 5 2006 11:05 PM EDT

If you are offended then don't fight him

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 5 2006 11:11 PM EDT

I sense a distubance in the force, bored people can't seem to stop trolling for a flame war...


MOVE ALONG!

Mem September 5 2006 11:12 PM EDT

I'm certainly not offended by this, but I can see how some people would be. That's enough for me to agree with a name change. And if someone was offended by someone else's character named Buddha I'd feel the same way. It's not the name that matters to me, it's the people. Why make someone else feel uncomfortable when you could just as easily change your name to something else?

SNK3R September 5 2006 11:25 PM EDT

Thread moved to Public Record.

Personally, I'm not religious. Having a minion name with "Jesus Christ," in my opinion, does not constitute as one of the "strong uses of 'God' and 'Jesus Christ'" that are not acceptable. Therefore, I won't change the name.

However, if another Admin. feels the need to change the minion name as per the religious sensibilities, then I encourage them to do so.

Slashundhack [We Forge Our Own Stuff] September 6 2006 12:05 AM EDT

Personaly it doesn't bother me . But if you want to ban J.C. as a name you better give equal consideration to Budda,Allah and who ever else I can't think of. But Elijah? woo thats getting really picky.

chuck1234 September 6 2006 12:40 AM EDT

Okay, Elijah may be a common name, I was just misled by the context, so you may omit by objection to that one. But, why bring religious names [of any faith, not just "Jesus Christ"] into the picture at all, when there are plenty of secular names and mythologicals floating around. Hey, even the LOTR is in a way a mythological tale.

Also, if you do want to display your religion on your sleeve, you can always edit the minion's war cry, you can say, "Buddha says, don't fight again", or "Jesus says, peacemaking is good", etc., and it won't make any difference to anybody. Also, it doesn't affect the religious figure's standing at all.

My objection, hence, is to the end-result of the fight casting an unfavourable light on the religious figure; and any person with faith will recognise this and make the necessary correction.

chuck1234 September 6 2006 1:02 AM EDT

Also, you can rename your character "Jesus Christ" and that won't enter the fight sheet in an unfavourable manner at all when fighting stronger opponents. Its just the minion name that hurts, and only for the reason stated in the previous post.

chuck1234 September 6 2006 1:03 AM EDT

oops, my mistake :)

you can't name a character after a religious figure at all, coz that too enters the fight sheet as <a> defeated <religious figure>, etc.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2006 3:29 AM EDT

I was sitting in quiet meditation a few moments ago, begging for mercy in my final set of supplications for the day, when lo; A messenger from a marinara filled wonderland arrived with word for my personal lord and saviour His holy wonderousness, the F.S.M.. And lo (really really low), this gooey messenger spake unto me the words of the great F.S.M.; behold my subject, how the world casually slaughters my offsping, gobbling up platefuls of my kin, I shall smite them with bickering and devisive threads about things offending people with nothing better to do. I bowed the whole of my body to ground, crying and pulling out hair so as to show proper deference to the words of my great god. Upon finishing my meditation, I have come to see, and here we are!

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] September 6 2006 3:30 AM EDT


Nov has been touched by His Noodley Appendage!

AdminShade September 6 2006 8:39 AM EDT

what worries me more, is that you have both a character and user image of a barbie doll...

chuck1234 September 6 2006 9:18 AM EDT

but no religious sensibiliites hurt there :)

seriously, the character name was given by cb2, i merely clicked ok, the barbie doll jpg coz it was the nearest thing in my jpg files folder; and I had initially just signed on for a lark, not knowing i'd end up being a serious addict here. . . .

PirateKing September 6 2006 9:54 AM EDT

"My objection, hence, is to the end-result of the fight casting an unfavourable light on the religious figure; and any person with faith will recognise this and make the necessary correction."


Trust me on this.... Christianity is in no way threatened by someone using that name in this game.

Tasteless? Yes.
Putting an "unfavorable light" upon said religious figure? No.

Methinks you give Jeronus to much power over the masses.

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 10:12 AM EDT

Yes, let's all just do everything so as to not offend anyone, even when what we are doing isn't actually hurting anything.

I would like everyone to call me "Scrabaluminous" from now on. If you do not, I will be offended, and hey, why offend me? I asked nicely. So, call me that from now on otherwise I will ask an admin to have you reset.

Thanks,
Scrabaluminous

PirateKing September 6 2006 10:17 AM EDT

That's telling them, Scrabby. :P

bartjan September 6 2006 10:20 AM EDT

Your search - Scrabaluminous - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 10:22 AM EDT

I shall define Google, provided you all heed my wishes for lukewarm capitulation.

Say it three times in a mirror and I might even appear. *smile*

InebriatedArsonist September 6 2006 10:26 AM EDT

Well, I could use a Bloody Mary or two right now, Sut.

Really, though, in the great scheme of things a paltry minion name isn't going to matter. Sit back, take a deep breath, and just relax.

Don't make me bust out the Yanni.

AdminG Beee September 6 2006 10:29 AM EDT

Although Google or any other engine I used came up with zero returns on "Scrabaluminous" we could easily fix this.

A simple rename from QBsutekh137 to QBScrabaluminous will ensure future searches do not return zero replies.

As always I'm open to bribes ;)

WeaponX September 6 2006 10:31 AM EDT

i have to disagree with Sutekh here for 1 simple reason. if i say anything religious in chat i'm told to knock it off. religion is an off limits subject in CB for just this reason. i would also like to add that if it was a racial name while not hurting anyone is offensive i would demand it removed so i see little difference here.

UncleKracker September 6 2006 10:31 AM EDT

Naming a minion Jesus Christ or God is no better than naming your dog that. Whoever can sink so low to mock our lord and savior so will certainly burn in hell for his sins.

And suktech, that response was childish and, honestly, you now disgust me. You've just insulted every Christian, Catholic, anyone who believes the name of the lord shouldn't be used as a joke, and only in an attempt to make a lame, dim-witted and offensive joke. I'll be disappointed if you don't receive a heavy fine. At least 3 mill. That goes for everyone else here thats had a similiar response.

Admins, do something about these character names NOW. Jesus Christ, God, Allah, Buddah are all innapropriate. And any I might've missed.

Maelstrom September 6 2006 10:34 AM EDT

Oh, please... this thread is a joke, right?

QBJohnnywas September 6 2006 10:36 AM EDT

I'm sitting here, on one shoulder is my dad, atheist, mischief maker hitting me around the head, saying:

'Go on say something, something that's going to offend or upset somebody! Go on! Did I teach you nothing about the worship of an updated sun-god where all the major holy days were stolen from older religions? Say something you muppet!'

(My dad is a very very lapsed Catholic BTW. As am I...might explain a few things...)


On the other shoulder is my mother. Church Of England, quietly Christian as a young woman, has come back to it as an older woman.

'Say nothing. Why do you need to say anything? My faith isn't bothered by some name on a computer game. A computer game I might remind you is about killing, finding ways of stomping your opponent into the ground. How many people have you killed today?'

AdminShade September 6 2006 10:39 AM EDT

Alright now everyone knock it off and use your senses.

While I myself aren't in the least bit offended by it, I do care for the community of this game.

The player in question has been asked to remove the names himself first, and lots of people are always offended by some name or other.

Why would you disallow the name of Jesus or God when you would approve of the names of any of the major and minor devils?

some names you should bring about to be wanting to be forbidden also then:

* Devil Burrito
* 13devils
* DeviL-KnighT
* DevilsGrip
* devils
* Agdevil
* devilpong
* Devil
* TrueDevil
* Little Devil

* DemonHunter
* blooddemon65
* skydemon
* Bladed Demon
* Demonles Aberant
* demon blood
* demonater
* Demonrage
* Demon Lord
* deghidemon
* demonslayer
* ChaosDemon
* Demonic Spazz
* Demonic
* [CB1]DemonTiger
* Cyberdemon
* Demon285
* Demonictears
* demonicar
* demonzx
* DemonicAura
* --The Demonic Saint--
* DarkDemon Kitten
* Furydemon
* DemonAvenger

* Diablo II v1point11
* ii diablo ii

* Azmodan

* baalthrog
* baal651
* BAALRULZ


I stopped myself from looking at even more possible 'offenders'.


If you really think someone mocks the entire Christian society, think about yourself and you being only human also.

The CB community has already forbidden talks/discussions regarding religion because they are not fit here, so then stop the 'demanding' here also by bringing religious reasons why to, or else we will have to force you to stop it by pressing charges (fining), or do you think that is not needed.


It's your call.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] September 6 2006 10:43 AM EDT

But that is part of my point UncleKracker. Using a search of the term, religions of the world, in google, this site listed 22 "major" religions, and one of them is Scientology, in last place with 500,000 followers. The list according to this site goes like this:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

So now I would like you to go through, just these 22 major ones, not counting the countless other "minor" ones and create a list of names that are unappropriate. I will see you in a year or so.

Which is my point again. It would be virtually impossible to compile that list, then to take that list and search the minion names of:

5421 users who created a Character
(Inactive accounts are purged starting after 20 days)
447 active users from the past 7 days
53 new users in the past 24 hours
54 active users from the past 15 minutes

Then come back with a list of improper names. Heck, with Scientology in there, I could say all of Hubbards Science Fiction is sacred and you cannot use his character names. He wrote several books BTW.

This has nothing to do with impropriety and everything to do with practicality. You simply cannot do it for all, and thusly you cannot do it for one, or by doing so, you are suggesting that those religions that you do not apply this rule to are not worthy of respect.

I think your rather biblical wrath statement is your only hope. Those that do something like this will recieve their own punishment in their own time, if they deserve one, why rely on CB to punish them for you?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 10:44 AM EDT

Come on. This *has* to be a joke thread...

Otherwise, I'm offended by people being offended at the use of any names closely or remotley related to anything Religious, and ask, nay, demand that Admins ignore any requests for name changes by these people.

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 10:45 AM EDT

MM, that's a good point (and one I didn't know). I didn't realize chat had been locked down so. I guess we all need to put on P.C. and R.C. visors and make sure everyone sings "Kum-Ba-Ya" in exactly the correct dulcet tones. I'll get my tuning fork.

Uncle Cracker, if you really believe what you are saying, then you are right -- such a person will "burn in Hell". Man has no say in what sort of Judgment will be handed down. Turn the other cheek, meek inheriting the earth, all that. If you are certain that someone else will "get theirs" when the time comes, why do you need to rant about it? Last I heard, God doesn't care for show-offs. In fact, He sorta digs tolerance and open-mindedness.

Stop being inconsistent. Let your Master do His thing, or don't. Don't sit on the fence and belly-ache while still hiding behind your deity-of-choice's robes. As for my beliefs, you have no idea what I do or don't believe, and you never will. The main reason? Because you are intolerant and close-minded, so there is no point in sharing now, is there? Unless I agree with you, of course. I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with that. *smile*

PirateKing September 6 2006 10:45 AM EDT

"I'll be disappointed if you don't receive a heavy fine. At least 3 mill. That goes for everyone else here thats had a similiar response."


I don't advise holding your breath waiting for a 3 million cb fine to be administered.

Just sayin'....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 10:47 AM EDT

"The CB community has already forbidden talks/discussions regarding religion because they are not fit here, so then stop the 'demanding' here also by bringing religious reasons why to, or else we will have to force you to stop it by pressing charges (fining), or do you think that is not needed."

Shade, this isn't the case. IT might be in chat, but I've seen nothign of the kind on forums. The last time it was suggested (I think by MrWuss) I propmtly posted a couple of theological and religious debates, which were enjoyed by those who took part in them. ;)

Anyone want me to re open my Free Will and Omniscience debate?

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 10:48 AM EDT

And I demand you spell my name correctly in lieu of following my Scrabaluminous Directive.

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 10:49 AM EDT

Flame on, GL!

(Can I say flame? Is that too close to talks of Hell?)

PirateKing September 6 2006 10:50 AM EDT

That's it Sut. You are now offending all the fire-worshippers here. :P

WeaponX September 6 2006 10:57 AM EDT

it shocks me how poor shade's judgement is sometimes. shade you have no power to fine someone for asking a minions name to be changed and to suggest you would is absurd. as far as your rant on devil/demon names... this game is based on LoTR type mythology where demons and devils have a place. do you see Jesus strolling around in gondor? i feel like i am back in 2nd grade here. just because it does not bother YOU (all of you) does not make it ok.

QBJohnnywas September 6 2006 11:02 AM EDT

I'm really not in the business of offending anybody in my day to day life. But I find it difficult to believe that somebody can take offence at the use of a religious name in a game that glorifies killing people. A huge majority of games actually glorify violence and yet the use of a name is a problem.

I suspect a shifting of balance of priorities might be needed here......

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 11:03 AM EDT

Nor does the fact that some people have a problem with it make it "not-OK".

Stalemate.

QBBarzooMonkey September 6 2006 11:03 AM EDT

What offends me is the apparent need you all have to prove just how much more "enlightened" and "intelligent" you all are by attacking Chuck1234's rather simple request.

Instead of letting an admin say yeah or nay, and handling it with whatever decorum they feel necessary, you just can't resist stomping all over the guy's beliefs, for all the reasons you're sighting for "needing" to stomp - primarily because he doesn't share your own opinions.

It isn't about religious sensibilities anymore, it's about courtesy and civility. Recently, my love for this place has begun to turn to a burning hatred...

PirateKing September 6 2006 11:03 AM EDT

Don't see many "Wolverines" wandering around Gondor either, Megaman.

Also, since you used the "just because it does not bother YOU" argument.... remember that can go both ways. If you find something offends you, that does not necessarily mean it offends all.

QBJohnnywas September 6 2006 11:10 AM EDT

BM, we are normally on the same page with things. But I will say this: in CB there is such a system as CM. If Chuck didn't want an issue made of this then he /she had other. more private avenues open to voice their complaint.

Religious tolerance doesn't alway stretch the other way to allow non religious criticism. And I firmly believe it should.

To bring my mother into things again: she believes that her faith is strong enough that it doesn't matter what other people say or do. She believes. That's all that is important to her.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:12 AM EDT

"Naming a minion Jesus Christ or God is no better than naming your dog that. Whoever can sink so low to mock our lord and savior so will certainly burn in hell for his sins."

God is in all things. Worshiping him by naming a beloved pet after him is not low. Why do people name thier children Jesus? Or is that morally low of them and degrading to God?

"And suktech, that response was childish and, honestly, you now disgust me. You've just insulted every Christian, Catholic, anyone who believes the name of the lord shouldn't be used as a joke, and only in an attempt to make a lame, dim-witted and offensive joke. I'll be disappointed if you don't receive a heavy fine. At least 3 mill. That goes for everyone else here thats had a similiar response."

Are you the type of personal that get's morally insenced from any type of joke? Have you no sense of humour? Do you tell Jokes about a particular something yourself?

"Admins, do something about these character names NOW. Jesus Christ, God, Allah, Buddah are all innapropriate. And any I might've missed."

Kracker offends me. It reminds too much of the Slave Trade, where slavers were commonly called 'Crackers' after 'Cracking' the whip at thier slaves. Admins, do something about this NOW!

WeaponX September 6 2006 11:12 AM EDT

ok i hate to bring this up but here we go. most of CB is made up of non african american people. if someone names a minion a racial slur against blacks is that ok because it only bothers 1 or 2 people here? i remember there was a holocaust cloak in cb for about 1 day.. why was it renamed? it offended Gaza and maybe 1 or 2 people looks pretty similar to this case here to me.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:15 AM EDT

Is CB a PG open minded community, or a fanatic intolerant one?

I know which type I'd prefer...

PirateKing September 6 2006 11:18 AM EDT

Well then Megaman.... I suggest you change the name and picture of your character, WeaponX before someone who is offended by people using copyrighted and trademarked names for their characters starts a new thread demanding that yours be changed and you be fined.

AdminG Beee September 6 2006 11:19 AM EDT

OK folks deep breathing is required by all now I think.

For the record I CM'd Jeronus before this thread grew arms and legs and asked him to "do the right thing". I don't have any feeling on the matter however I can understand why some would.
Does it cost anything to be courteous to someone elses beliefs? Not in my book it doesn't. It's only a name change - big deal.

That said, wars have been fought over less I guess.

Anyway, I notice Jeronus has now changed his minion name and it's now possible to beat up on Moses instead :/

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:20 AM EDT

:D L. O. L.!

WeaponX September 6 2006 11:24 AM EDT

PK why do we need to be childish here? btw the pic is actually non copy written fan art so haha.

QBBarzooMonkey September 6 2006 11:24 AM EDT

"Is CB a PG open minded community, or a fanatic intolerant one?

I know which type I'd prefer... "

This thread is sure looking like a lot of fanatic intolerance to me, only most of you who seem to think you are on the tolerance side are showing a great deal of intolerance...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:25 AM EDT

Oh, and;

"Whoever can sink so low to mock our lord and savior so will certainly burn in hell for his sins."

I politly ask you to use 'my' not 'our'. You cannot possibly know whom my lord and saviour is, so please don't presume.

Thank you.

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 11:28 AM EDT

I am neither "intelligent" nor "enlightened".

Nor is anyone else.

But when someone tells me (or anyone) what to do, I will take action to defend the person who wasn't doing anything wrong in the first place.

Oh, and pointing out inconsistencies... That's always reliable litmus, and if you have a problem with that, well, that's regrettable.

If you want a similar comparison to all of this, the Mohammed cartoon in the Dutch newspaper a while back would be similar. If you think reactions to that cartoon were OK, kudos -- I can't argue with you. You would be taking a consistent stance that I would understand. I would strongly disagree, but understand your consistent viewpoint.

If, however, you thought some reactions to the cartoon were severe and unnecessary, then please use that same reasoning here. Jeronus is not now, nor ever was, hurting anyone, and he was not and is not violating any posted rules. Neither did chuck. What chuck DID do, however, is publicly post. That means we all get to publicly respond. If you wish to retain ownership/privacy of your communications, use CM or e-mail.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:34 AM EDT

I think people would do well to go watch 'Avenue Q'.

QBBarzooMonkey September 6 2006 11:34 AM EDT

That is a horrid analogy, in that you are comparing incidents that were specifically designed to provoke, that resulted in real destruction and bloodshed, to a simple request on an online game. All this to simply rationalize your burning desire to defend opinions that didn't need defending?

You're right, that is neither "intelligent" nor "enlightened".

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:41 AM EDT

I wonder how many people have noticed the thread below this one...

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 11:41 AM EDT

That "don't need defending"? Who put you in charge, BM?

Jeronus has the right to name his minions whatever he wishes. That's the starting point here. Chuck is the one who asked for change. In third grade terms, he would be the one who "started it". Are you saying Jeronus named his minions with incendiary intent? Can you prove that allegation?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 11:42 AM EDT

Damn! ;) Two below now... there goes my mysterious subtlety! >_<

Oh well, about the deal between Chappy and 'Kane and Able'...

Revs September 6 2006 11:42 AM EDT

This type of thing seems to come up on every game or forum that I've ever been a part of. Why? It's a societal issue. The answer, imho, is not to make every possible offender change, start witch hunts, or ostracize. Instead the responsibility is on the person offended. Each person is entitled to their own views on religion or even against religion all together, but it crosses the line when it become harassment. If it is not harassment, and just offense taken, then it is up to the person offended to deal with it, come to grips with it in some way, and move on.

If I'm offended by the color purple, should I campaign for it's irradication? Hardly. Instead I need to just realize that while I may dislike it or find it an offensive color, it's in my court to deal with it and cope with it's existance.

To go to the other extreme and make sure that nothing is offensive whatsoever ultimately results in no community whatsoever. Without diversity and variety, there is no community.

Mem September 6 2006 11:46 AM EDT

I think you might be a bit mixed up there, GL. Just because someone happens to be offended by someone's name and asks, first with a CM that was denied, and then with a forum post doesn't mean that he's intolerant or fanatic.

BM has hit the core of the problem though-- CB has become quick to put people down for a difference in opinion. When did you all get like this? You weren't before. What changed? Why do you now think you hold the answer to every quandry, and that your answer is the only answer that should even be considered?

In a recent thread of mine I became offended by certain comments that were allegedly jokes. Of course, everyone felt that I was foolish for taking these comments this way, and perhaps I was. It doesn't matter though. If I'm offended then I'm offended. No amount of you calling me stupid or foolish or whatever will change that. And this is where the mixup occurs. You think that because I'm offended by something that you just think is funny I'm now the one who's the fanatic? It would seem that you're the only one in this equation that's denying common courtesy and decency to your fellow CBer.

I don't expect that any of you will wrap your minds around this because respect is not something that can be taught, but have a care. I'm a human being too. So is chuck. Respect his beliefs. I respect yours.

QBBarzooMonkey September 6 2006 11:47 AM EDT

It's not a matter of being in charge Sut, to me it's more like common sense (I feel like I am arguing with a third grader, yes). It wasn't my "fight". It wasn't your "fight", but you decided that for some reason, you needed to make it your fight.

So, on the other hand, who put you in charge Sut? Does that QB make you infallible? Does it make you an admin? Who are you to assume that Jeronus even wanted you to fight for him or her?
We can dance in this circle all day if you'd like...

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 11:57 AM EDT

As soon it was public, it became everyone's fight, yes indeed.

If one doesn't want it public, one shouldn't make it public.

For the record, I never called the original poster fanatical or intolerant (nor did GL). I called UncleKracker intolerant and closed-minded when he made a specific attack on me, directly. (He spelled my name wrong, but pretty sure he meant me *smile*)

I don't see you dressing-down Uncle for his comments. Why not? Heh, and thanks for the QB reference. Not sure what that has to do with anything, and I have never said it made me infallible (have even said before that I think it belongs to Sefton). But seriously, I can't get enough of someone throwing that in my face.

And you have the gall to talk about respect?

QBBarzooMonkey September 6 2006 12:08 PM EDT

I'm simply asking you to help me understand what makes you believe that your opinion counts above all others so much that it must be beat into us all so frequently, that's all.

For the record, I also found kracker's comments comtemptible, but you started yours several posts before his, and he has not engaged me directly the way you have. As for a need for respect, I lost that many, many posts ago.


AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2006 12:09 PM EDT

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!

Mem September 6 2006 12:12 PM EDT

There's no sense in trying to talk a narcissist into caring about other people, BM.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] September 6 2006 12:13 PM EDT

I am really not certain why this dicussion swings into morality, it is all about practicality. It is simply impractical to disallow all the names in the bible let alone all the names used in all religious texts everywhere. The amount of time required to enforce such a rule would be insurmountable. I do not presume to even know 10% of the names that would have to be on that list.

Another note, today's mythology was yesterday's religion. Someone somewhere might still believe in Odin, Zues, Jupiter, I mean the list is could literally be endless.

Nothing to do with right or wrong, it is simply impractical to enforce evenly. So, when you chatmail someone and ask them politely to change their name, and they do not, you are pretty much out of luck at this point, unless the name violates the already existing G/PG rule that has been well enforced over all my years of playing CB.

If you wish to bring public attention to this person's desire to not change their name, you are certainly welcome to, you will get much heated and spirited debate. But as far as requesting admins to step in and take care of it, well honestly I hope that does not happen.

QBsutekh137 September 6 2006 12:17 PM EDT

Not sure what I did to you recently, BM, but whatever it was and is, I apologize.

I don't think my opinion counts above anyone elses, and I'll stop beating it into everyone. If it has been bothering you so much (your last message says to me you have disliked my style for some time now), I wish you would have let me know at the time it started.

Novice, not sure who are the trolls here, but I definitely don't consider Mem and BM as such, so that is why I continued. However, it clearly looks like I've been the troll, so I'll stop.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 12:22 PM EDT

I think it's time to ask for this thread to be closed.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2006 12:23 PM EDT

This thread was made for with the sole intention of trolling, and what a success. Sut, I don't think you've been trolling here, just responding to in a light manner to an obivous request for a holy war in forums. I said the same thing to BM. Don't feed chuck...

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] September 6 2006 12:32 PM EDT

I disagree with you novice. I think chuck felt it was wrong, and felt that a post would attract the attention of an Admin who might honor his request. I do not think chuck made the post simply to start a holy war, and it is my guess he is unhappy where it ended up.

Granted we are both assuming facts not yet in evidence, I just wanted to mention the other side :)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2006 12:39 PM EDT

What ever his intent, the result is the same. Anyone who took any part of this seriously lost.

AdminG Beee September 6 2006 12:47 PM EDT

The only person who can lose in a post like this is the poor admin who changes the name, or closes the thread...

Hung if you do, hung if you don't. Good vs Evil

Maelstrom September 6 2006 12:52 PM EDT

I was watching G's smiley for a while (I was thinking, really!) and it actually paused for a while when the devil was one top! Is that a sign?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2006 12:54 PM EDT

G's animated smilies don't work for me at home... :(

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2006 1:14 PM EDT

it's a sign that the malware eating your box is winning...

chuck1234 September 6 2006 11:21 PM EDT

I suppose we can call this the summing up, or thread-closing post.

First off, some clarifications. I didn't come to the forum directly, I only did so after Jeronus refused to pay heed to my pleas in chat and put me on ignore. All of what I had first posted, I showed him first in chat, but he didn't listen then. Hence, I had no option but to contact admin in this manner.

As for my attempting to start a trolling war, it is a ridiculous suggestion. I felt genuinely hurt back then, and I am relieved and happy that Jeronus has listened to reason.

I'd like to thank G_Beee who as admin tackled this issue well and resolved it amicably. And I'd like to thank all those who stood by my point of view, MegaManV, UncleKracker, BarzooMonkey [BM], and Mem. What can I say, you have covered yourself with glory in the higher realm :)

On a larger scale, I feel that there is a certain civilisational superiority bred by our British scholastic tradition which includes spirituality which is being missed in the clumsy American relativist approach toward education. But with people still left in America like those who stood by me, I suppose there is still hope amid a terrifying emptiness. Anyways, you can always expect help from us across the ocean.

[Now remember these are my parting shots, thread closers; so, don't start another flame war responding to them. Its my prerogative to make these comments which I feel are valid, and I won't respond any more to any further posts.]

Bye, and sweet dreams for all who enjoyed my point of view :)

QBOddBird September 6 2006 11:44 PM EDT

Just to post the opposite side on your original post, chuck, not to start a flame war or criticize in any way - but maybe he's a Christian and wants to see it from the other end. There are enemy minions named Satan - perhaps he wanted to see:

Jesus Christ eviscerated Satan [235634]
R.I.P. Satan


*shrugs* Just the other end of the battle, I suppose.

I get a giggle out of this, though, by UncleKracker:

"Naming a minion Jesus Christ or God is no better than naming your dog that. Whoever can sink so low to mock our lord and savior so will certainly burn in hell for his sins. "

Silly. Everyone knows that according to Christianity, if you aren't saved, you'll burn in hell anyways. =) So mocking Jesus or God earns you no extra punishment. 'Sides, to quote the youth pastor at our church, "The lost will act like they are lost. Why do you act as if they should be acting morally?"

Yes, I'm a Christian. ^_^ and I've stated so since day one.


This was actually quite a humorous thread, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it after the fact.

Stephen September 7 2006 2:02 AM EDT

"But with people still left in America like those who stood by me, I suppose there is still hope amid a terrifying emptiness"

Damn, I was hoping for a heaven that didn't have any Americans in it. :)

AdminShade September 7 2006 2:16 AM EDT

I didn't come to the forum directly, I only did so after Jeronus refused to pay heed to my pleas in chat and put me on ignore. All of what I had first posted, I showed him first in chat, but he didn't listen then. Hence, I had no option but to contact admin in this manner.

You shouldn't have asked Jeronus this in person, and definitely not come to the forum after her ignored you...

... instead you should have contacted an admin before making this thread to check on either the policy or the opinion of the admin before starting this apparent holy war.

or at least that's my opinion.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] September 7 2006 2:29 AM EDT


Shade, did you miss this?

"[Now remember these are my parting shots, thread closers; so, don't start another flame war responding to them. Its my prerogative to make these comments which I feel are valid, and I won't respond any more to any further posts.] "

Perhaps it's because you aren't superior, and therefore can't possibly understand, but he's clearly saying his ought to be the last word. Shame on you for stealing it, with your offering of an additional opinion. ;~)

JACAR,
B.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2006 3:25 AM EDT

Come on then. Why leave it there. Just look at this foum.

"The_Pope forging for Morthak"

The Pope. Forging? Sacriligious!!!! Demand his name changed!

Kane and Abel? Abel killed his brother!!! OMG! It must be morally low to call yourself that!!

And Sutekh was called the Moral Titan...

*shrug*

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2006 3:45 AM EDT

"On a larger scale, I feel that there is a certain civilisational superiority bred by our British scholastic tradition which includes spirituality which is being missed in the clumsy American relativist approach toward education. But with people still left in America like those who stood by me, I suppose there is still hope amid a terrifying emptiness. Anyways, you can always expect help from us across the ocean."

Oh my. I missed this... I'm English. I was Educated in England. I never studied R.E. at school and even today (I know this, I work in a secondary school...) R.E. is not part of the national curriculum.

To set the record straight, I'm Agnostic. Call me a fence sitter if you want, I'll just laugh.

I've lived all my life in the most diverse borough of London, bought up to despise intollerance, be it through Religion, Sex, Race, or anything else you can use to segregate your fellow human.

I have never been bred to feel superior in anything.

AdminG Beee September 7 2006 3:51 AM EDT

"I have never been bred to feel superior in anything"

I've met GL. I can confirm he's not "superior in anything". :)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2006 3:59 AM EDT

Tis true. 'Faily Average' most people call me. If they get past a 'meh'. ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2006 4:00 AM EDT

Actually, I do have a faily superior beer gut. But not a superior ability to drink said stuff. ;)

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] September 7 2006 9:43 AM EDT

GL has superior kindness ;)

Frod September 7 2006 9:47 AM EDT

My opinion: chuck1234 is making a ridiculous, unfounded assumption about Jeronus's intent.

I seriously doubt that the principal reason for naming minions is to get kicks out of them being defeated.

My character Wicked has minions named from the characters in that musical. Now, which is more likely: I named them that way because I _like_ them, or I named them that way because I want to _bash_ them?

A little common sense goes a long way.
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