Does the BoM deserve to be a Power Shield? (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 8:03 AM EDT

Why was is moved into that category? Does it really need the PS restirctions of not being able to be used with a tattoo or cloak?

Originally, I though it was moved because it was yet another item that increased STR, and Jon wanted to limit the amount of items that could agument ToA granted STR.

Then we got the Amulet of Might. It increases more STR per point than the BoM does, and has no restrictions.

Does the Base AC of 10 plus any AC from enchanting really deserve relegating this shield to the restrictive PS category?

QBJohnnywas September 22 2006 8:05 AM EDT

Do we need a power shield category at all? We haven't had any other additions to it since it's introduction. Unless some more are planned?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 8:06 AM EDT

Oh I'd love the PS restrictions lifted from the MgS, but that won't happen. ;)

Flamey September 22 2006 8:06 AM EDT

you can wear a BoM with a cloak.

and i dunno why it should be a PS, if AoM is free with its 2% bonus, what is BoM doing?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 8:23 AM EDT

>_< It's tattoo's you can't wear with a Cloak..

You can't wear Tattoo's with a Power Shield.

Buy yeah, if the AoM gives 2% Str per plus and has no restrictions, why can't you use a BoM with a Tattoo?

QBRanger September 22 2006 10:00 AM EDT

I would assume a toa tank using a mgs would be too powerful, hence the ps category.

But I agree a BOM should be able to be used with a tat, perhaps with a larger dex penalty.

BootyGod September 22 2006 10:07 AM EDT

Because Jon hates you!

I don't really get it either truthfully. Why not just let it be a normal shield, but slightly increase the other shield's base AC to make them stay in competition.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 10:25 AM EDT

It's a Rare. The only other Rare shield has a base AC of double that of a BoM, and therefore cheaper upgrade costs anyway. I don't think you'ld need to change the MS because removing the BoM from the PS category.

If it really was too good, how about chaning it to an item like DB, where enchantment pluses don't increase AC at all?

I just don't see the rational behind its Power Shield status. :/

Silatt September 22 2006 11:15 AM EDT

I think it was classified as a PS, simply because of the fact that it has stat buffing capability, look at all the other shields. They all just have ACs, unless it is a PS, and then it has "magical" additions. I seriously doubt the fact that it specifically buffs ST has anything to do with it.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 11:34 AM EDT

Then why isn't the TSA in a 'Power Armour' category? Not that it would make any difference, not being able to use one with a tattoo anyway...

But the AoM is the only amulet that buff stats. Maybe that should be in an 'Power Amulet' category?

And the HoE?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 22 2006 11:38 AM EDT

Isn't the bonus from the BoM larger than just 1% per +?

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] September 22 2006 11:55 AM EDT

Maybe it is just to prevent use with a ToA and because the Power Shield category was already in place it made it easier to just do it to the BoM?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 12:09 PM EDT

"Bonus 1% to ST for each + (1/3 the bonus is used with a 2 handed weapon)."

While the AoM gives 2% per +.

QBOddBird September 22 2006 12:13 PM EDT

When Jon was in Chat a few days ago, he said that Power Shields was originally designed to be a category of shields that would be too powerful in combination with a tattoo. There you have it.

QBOddBird September 22 2006 12:17 PM EDT

Roenall Shield [10] (+25) worth $2,952,471 (named BoM)

Nightfall Pendant [0] (+11) worth $2,713,850 (named AoM)

Just thought I'd put a stop to this 'AoM increases more STR than the BoM' bit. BoM gives more STR.

'Sides, with TGs and AoM, you have to make a decision. TGs or BGs, do I want Archery or Ranged? AoM or AoI....that makes it incredibly difficult to choose an AoM over the AoI's fantastic abilities. But BoM or MS on a ToA tank? Obvious choice. 25% more STR for 3M.

I dunno, that's my thoughts on it. But I'm BBQ: Logic flawed.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 22 2006 12:18 PM EDT

We now more than ever we need the power shield catagory. The AoM combined with the BoM easily adds almost 50%, the TSA and HoE and Tulks account for the rest of the 100% bonus to STR you can get. If you had the ability to use a BoM with a ToA as well, it would get really silly.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 1:43 PM EDT

"Roenall Shield [10] (+25) worth $2,952,471 (named BoM)

Nightfall Pendant [0] (+11) worth $2,713,850 (named AoM)"

So for 200K more NW than an AoM the BoM gives just 3% more STR?

And that's why it can't be used with a Tattoo?


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 1:50 PM EDT

"But BoM or MS on a ToA tank? Obvious choice."

Just like HoE or HoD?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 22 2006 1:53 PM EDT

If the restriction was removed, you'd then be able to use both.
Jon upped the STR cap with the AoM, but he's not looking to just let people invent it out of nowhere...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 22 2006 1:59 PM EDT

My confusion lies with the original move of the BoM to PS catergory.

If then, the STR from the BoM was deemed too much to have in conjunction with a ToA, why was another tiem created, that in essence does the same thing, without the same restriction?

That is, if it's the bonus from STR that has cuased the BoM to be placed in the PS category...

QBOddBird September 22 2006 2:13 PM EDT

Yes, but GL, it is a difficult choice to place an AoM on your tank over an AoI. Who wouldn't put a BoM on their ToA tank?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 22 2006 2:15 PM EDT

I think Jon saw the need for more strength, the introduction of the AoM allowed this, yes he could have removed the restriction on the BoM instead but he gave us more choices rather than leave us all hustling for a BoM.
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