Wiki: dead pages (in Changelog)

AdminJonathan October 17 2006 10:24 PM EDT

Wiki now supports marking pages "dead," meaning they won't show up anywhere except in a special dead pages list (linked from Index).

Also added "Orphaned pages" list, which are pages not linked from anywhere. Most should probably be marked dead.

Stephen October 17 2006 10:31 PM EDT

The first two Orphaned pages I looked at could not be marked dead as they *are* linked from somewhere...

Stephen October 17 2006 10:32 PM EDT

'a poem to CB' for example, with no offence to Blarg!

AdminJonathan October 17 2006 10:40 PM EDT

fixed, thanks

AdminNightStrike October 18 2006 9:07 AM EDT

Jon, can you also fix the pages with slashes in the titles that no one can get to to mark dead?

AdminNightStrike October 18 2006 9:09 AM EDT

Also, is there a way to see what the page is to revive it without actually reviving it? For instance, Stephen killed General for some odd reason. I would like to know what was there without actually reviving it. Is there a revive preview or some such thing?

AdminNightStrike October 18 2006 9:25 AM EDT

If someone creates a textual link to a page after it's been marked dead, will the system auto-revive it, or create a dupe?

AdminJonathan October 18 2006 12:44 PM EDT

fixed slash handling

added preview to dead pages

"will the system auto-revive it, or create a dupe?"

neither, it will be a dead page with a link to it

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 18 2006 1:04 PM EDT

You should make an option to mark a page as a disambiguation page so it just redirects to the right page.

AdminShade October 18 2006 1:04 PM EDT

Why not change the link instead then Verifex?

Miandrital October 18 2006 1:07 PM EDT

Shade, it is like when you link a spell or skill. They are all listed on a single page, so linking to a specific spell will take you to a page with a link to the complete spell list. It would be nice if they was a way to auto-redirect from that link.

AdminShade October 18 2006 1:08 PM EDT

Ahh, linking to a link inside a wiki page? I thought that was possible, not?

AdminShade October 18 2006 1:39 PM EDT

Jonathan: perhaps switch the recent changes and the orphaned pages?

imo recent changes is more useful than the other part and should be higher, not?

AdminJonathan October 18 2006 1:51 PM EDT

good idea, Shade

AdminShade October 18 2006 2:19 PM EDT

:) wonderful :)

AdminNightStrike October 18 2006 6:01 PM EDT

I made the suggestion before regarding linking to section headings within a specific wiki entry. I believe the response was just "use a relative link that gets footnoted". You can already use #-notation to scroll to a specific place in the wiki entry.

Also, slash handling is still slightly off. The ST//DX page and the ST/DX page point to the same location. It's still not possible to kill the former.

AdminNightStrike October 18 2006 6:04 PM EDT

Verifiex, I think what you mean is having aliased pages, not disambiguation pages. Disambiguation is when you have a topic such as AC that can mean two different things -- either armor class or adamantine cuirass. Aliasing is where "A Pair of Leather Gloves", "Pair of Leather Gloves", and "Leather Gloves" all point to the same location. Does that make sense?

Incidently, aliasing would be nice.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 18 2006 6:51 PM EDT

Alright, well then, aliases in the Wiki would be nice and would remove alot of the clutter since so many items in the wiki are simply aliases of other items.

AdminNightStrike October 18 2006 10:45 PM EDT

A search function would be good, too. As well as a Wish List page.

AdminJonathan October 18 2006 11:28 PM EDT

fixed slashes in page name better

search won't be happening soon, it is on my list but it is a ton of work

you're welcome to create a Wish List page... it's a wiki

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] October 19 2006 12:49 AM EDT

Making a new page does not seem to work anymore. Instead I get a server error stating that "The requested URL cannot be accessed due to a system error on this server."

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] October 19 2006 12:56 AM EDT

Editing a page also seems to be a problem. Edit was marked as a revision, but nothing changed on the page itself. Renaming page was not a problem, nor was reviving or marking a page dead.

Miandrital October 19 2006 1:41 AM EDT

Wait, why did you link to all the orphaned pages? With the exception of the style guide and the wiki home, and maybe a couple of other pages, they should have all been marked dead. Those pages were mostly all just a single link to another page, and they were not needed since they werent even linked to.
Also, none of those are disambiguation pages.

AdminNightStrike October 19 2006 1:48 AM EDT

"you're welcome to create a Wish List page... it's a wiki"

I will.. soon.

AdminNightStrike October 19 2006 1:50 AM EDT

Karmic, what the devil were you doing to the wiki??? Are you on crack again?

AdminNightStrike October 19 2006 2:01 AM EDT

Ok, I can't undo whatever Karmic borked up. He renamed "Useless page 11" to "Disambiguation Page Clutter Reduction... Page", and then linked it to itself. Somebody reverted it back to a blank version, and the system still thinks it's being self-linked. The page can't be re-killed, since the system still thinks there's a link. However, the system can't recognize the removal of said self-link.

Oh, and there's an unborn page of "new_page" that can't be created.

Karmic, dude.. all I gotta say is... friends don't let friends wiki-edit drunk.

Miandrital October 19 2006 3:23 AM EDT

I reverted back the original Useless page 11, renamed it, killed it, then proceeded to kill all the unecessary orphans. I didnt know where else to link blarg's poem so I just left it. Wiki home should probably just be removed from the orphan page list, and the style page too.

Hopefully what I did was correct, if not, have fun resurrecting all the pages. :)

Also, does blarg's poem really even belong in the wiki? I dont really think so...

Maelstrom October 19 2006 10:35 AM EDT

The poem could go under "User Contributions" ...

AdminJonathan October 19 2006 11:48 AM EDT

it's not worth space on Home, that's for sure

Miandrital October 19 2006 12:18 PM EDT

Wall of remembrance seemed like a good place to put it. Jon, any chance you could adopt the wiki style guide too, since it is something that shouldnt be killed?

AdminNightStrike October 19 2006 12:29 PM EDT

Thanks, Miandrital... that Useless Page 11 was a nightmare.

AdminNightStrike October 19 2006 12:32 PM EDT

"it's not worth space on Home, that's for sure"

There's several things that are cluttering up Home needlessly. "User Contributions", for instance, should just be its own page with a single link on Home under misc. Maybe I'll do that later.

Question: Is there a way to access a longer list of recent edits? Or, perhaps, a complete list?

AdminNightStrike October 19 2006 12:45 PM EDT

I'll find a place for the wiki style guide... which is, btw, something that should probably be 1) expounded upon, and 2) read by many.

(wow... "btw" IS in the dictionary.....)

AdminJonathan October 19 2006 1:55 PM EDT

"Is there a way to access a longer list of recent edits? Or, perhaps, a complete list?"

the data is there, but there is no UI yet.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] October 19 2006 2:54 PM EDT

Danger Will Robinson!

Wiki creation of new pages is broke!

AdminJonathan October 19 2006 5:31 PM EDT

This thread is closed to new posts. However, you are welcome to reference it from a new thread; link this with the html <a href="/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001vmy">Wiki: dead pages</a>