Archery is not buggy (in General)

There is no basis for this claim; multiple people are getting 4-hits and 3-hits with archery and ELBs.

Be more careful about generalizing from single data points, people. ("I missed once, therefore there must be a bug!")

ummmm I am 0/9 in ranged combat right now, against anyone....

that bothers me a little bit.... 0/22 in melee is a bit discouraging as well

My point was that with a large dex advantage, and a +100 box, I was still not seeing triple hits in the third round of ranged, I asked if there were additional unlisted penalties in play because I saw them. I also saw minions with LESS dex and much less + hitting people I couldn't touch.

Besides that, PLEASE FIX WHAT YOU DID SO WE CAN HAVE BIG XP!

I'll attempt to give you all the data points I can as soon as you unbreak everything...

I'm with Velvetpickle on the feelings of discouragement! :-)

We are Doomed, The End of the world is upon us.... /Rant

Archery might not be bugged but when I have 300k DX against 20 DX and no evasion, shouldn't I at least hit once every round in ranged?

Also I seem to be missing in melee, with a melee weapon equipped, with the same DX gap...

no shade, you're not training archery...

there is an additional issue ATM...

there are penalties to both the PTH and CTH of bows (for not training archery), penalties to round 1&2 (AND THREE?) of ranged, and penalties to dex and hitting in the first round of melee...LOWER DAMAGE and LET ME HIT SOMETHING!

well novice, that might be so, but before a few hours ago, I was actually landing a lot of double hits in ranged, even without archery... explain that then?

My VB: Vicissitude [75x2540] (+100)
My ToA: Blessed Darkness lvl 1,645,955
My Hits Per Battle: 0 that includes melee and ranged :(

Jon hates me and wants me to suffer...

You shouldn't be able to land double hits shade, I can't see any possible way for that to be correct...

If I can't consistently hit double hits on familiars in ranged there is no way you should EVER be able to...

Well, I certainly was, because as far as I know, DX determines if you hit or not, and improves the chances...

without archery, you have 20% of your dex based CTH and 20% of your PTH...

I fought a guy in the 900's score range and didn't hit at all! I didn't just miss once, I missed every single round of both ranged and melee combat and, in my lowly opinion, thats impossible!!!

doh, while I was adding logging to make sure it wasn't broken, I broke it. sorry everyone.

"without archery, you have 20% of your dex based CTH and 20% of your PTH..."

not so. DX is not affected by lack of archery, only base CTH and weapon PTH.

I'm not sure if that's a bug or not, but that's how it works right now. :)

In other words, with enough DX you can still double hit with Bows even without archery.

yes

but I wouldn't care to train enough dx to make that happen vs someone with evasion :)

Which I also won't do, though atm I haven't gotten characters in my list with evasion ;)

I'll try and produce complete data points beyond my thread, but I don't understand why after training archery, I'm seeing the kind of penalties I'm seeing.

no roll back?

Wasn't that long of a break. Should have forged during that time.