some questions and insight into velvet's strat.... (in General)


velvetpickle December 7 2006 12:10 AM EST

Been a while since I started an overly elaborate post, so I decided to create one or two :)

The first is actually kind of simple. During the free unlearning period, I split my AS & AMF duties among two enchanters:

One E has 838,000 AS, but trained 442,869 AMF
The other has 1,126,000 AMF, but trained 442,869 AS

I did this as 442,869 is the most exp you can train at 13 exp per point. That is roughly 5,500,00 exp. and takes into account all the points trained at 9exp/per, 10exp/per, 11exp/per, etc.

Training just one spell on each I could have 1,500,000 AMF and 1,230,000 AS (rounded). As opposed to 1,568,000 AMF and 1,280,869 AS when split between two characters. (netting me about 115k more combined points in total)

So my question is what negative effect (aside from not being able to train an additional EO or ED on the team) is there for splitting and stacking these enchantments?

Shooto December 7 2006 12:16 AM EST

Well none for the AMF but someone with a DM bigger than your highest AS will negate both of your AS. If you had it all put into one of each, it would take a higher DM to completely negate the effects of the AS. Does that make any sense?

velvetpickle December 7 2006 12:46 AM EST

Not sure if it does or dosen't.... I was under the impression that if for instance a minion had 100,000 DM and one minion cast 50K AS, and the second had 60k AS it would still only negate 100k of the total. But that is why I am asking b/c it dosen't seem to work that way.

With no DM:

Iiahar cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (160824)
Nikepra cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (624285)

(624,285 AS total)

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Jet cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (688,732)

Iiahar's Ablative Shield fizzles under Dispel Magic
Nikepra cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (213379)

(He should have fizzled both shouldn't he?)

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Max Schreck cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (306,120)

Iiahar cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (49665)
Nikepra cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (401968)

(624,285 - 306,120 should have equaled 318165??)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 7 2006 3:15 AM EST

"Not sure if it does or dosen't.... I was under the impression that if for instance a minion had 100,000 DM and one minion cast 50K AS, and the second had 60k AS it would still only negate 100k of the total."

That is how it works. The problem is having two 100K AS facing a 100K DM cast. Both your AS would fizzle.

If you had one 200K AS instead, you would still have 100K left after.

QBRanger December 7 2006 8:47 AM EST

However, VP:

One of your AS enchanters has a corn, the other does not. That can account for the things your seeing with DM. The back minions AS is obviously higher than the other one.

Shooto December 7 2006 9:18 AM EST

So if you have two minions, each with 300k AS, its exactly the same as having one with 600k when going up against DM? In other words, do the AS stack and become "one" AS when up against DM?

QBRanger December 7 2006 9:26 AM EST

As it has been told in the past, from Jon to the players, DM works against each ED spell separately.

QBOddBird December 7 2006 10:57 AM EST

Did you even read the post, Shooto?

Shooto December 7 2006 4:18 PM EST

"Not sure if it does or dosen't.... I was under the impression that if for instance a minion had 100,000 DM and one minion cast 50K AS, and the second had 60k AS it would still only negate 100k of the total."

"That is how it works. " OBGL

According to that, it is saying that they are stacking, so YES, i did read the post. Also, you don't have to post just to get people to notice you, it'd actually help to add something useful to the thread. And I wonder why hardly anyone ever posts anything useful here, it just gets shot down. That isn't how it works it what should be said. If one minion had a DM of 100k going against an AS of 50k and an AS of 60k it would fizzle them both out. Maybe you, OBBQ, didn't read my first post saying that he should have one big AS instead of two smaller ones.

velvetpickle December 7 2006 4:28 PM EST

Ok I think I am understanding now, But just so I'm clear.

If you have two minions one with 400k AS and one with 600k AS. Someone casts DM 500k. It completly fizzles the first AS, and takes away 500k of the second also?

Same scenario, if someone cast 300k DM, would it take away 300k from each caster?

Shooto December 7 2006 4:29 PM EST

Thats what I've always understood but apparently I was wrong at some point. Thats why its better to have one minion with AS and say, a RoS to keep it high than all four minions training small AS.

QBRanger December 7 2006 4:29 PM EST

Exactly VP, exactly. That is why 1 large AS is better then 2 medium sized ones.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 7 2006 5:52 PM EST

"According to that, it is saying that they are stacking, so YES, i did read the post. Also, you don't have to post just to get people to notice you"

/shrug

I don't post to get people to notice me. I was trying to help by confirming what VP thought.


But it's ok, with an attitude like this, I'll have no problem ignoring you in the future...

Shooto December 7 2006 5:54 PM EST

well not to be rude, OBGL but you must have misunderstood me. I was talking to OBBQ who came into the post with no advice while making a rude comment to me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 7 2006 5:57 PM EST

Oh! Sorry! ;) Ignore me then... I've just got back from a very packed shopping center. Xmas fever has hit!

I thought you were replying to me by quoting me!

Go give OB what for though, he deserves it! :P

Sorry!
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