New Logo? (in General)

QBPixel Sage December 27 2006 9:57 PM EST

Alright, here's my stab at a new logo for CB. I did talk to Jonathan, and he mentioned that he only liked Mr. Swirly the most because it was better than all other CB logos ever attempted. Hopefully this will cut that trend, but let's see what you all think first. Of course, Jonathan will be the final one to decide on this.

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Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] December 27 2006 10:47 PM EST

I actually think this is pretty cool! Simple and classy :)

I never was a fan of swirly anyways.

Hi im Jake December 27 2006 10:50 PM EST

i like the upper half better then the bottom it stands out more in white

QBPixel Sage December 27 2006 10:55 PM EST

Really? I actually liked the bottom one more =D

QBPixel Sage December 27 2006 11:23 PM EST

Score! Jonathan likes the new logo, though he thinks the "sword" *cough*dagger*cough is too large. Hmmm...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 27 2006 11:26 PM EST

you mean the scimitar right?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] December 27 2006 11:37 PM EST

thats not a gun? :p

QBPixel Sage December 27 2006 11:46 PM EST

Fine. Jonathan thinks the dragon thingamabobber is too big.

Slashundhack [We Forge Our Own Stuff] December 27 2006 11:54 PM EST

The swordy thing would look better if "it" looked real.Maybe impaling the B? Or the tail of the E ?One of those swords from that contest you held??

QBOddBird December 28 2006 12:00 AM EST

I like the bottom one best, m'self.

Fantastic new logo there, PS. I love it! =D

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 12:00 AM EST

A realistic sword would turn this into an absolute... "non-logo". So it definitely wouldn't look better. Sorry, a realistic "dragon thingamabobber".

AdminNightStrike December 28 2006 12:21 AM EST

There's no point in having a white sunflare on the top one if it's got a white background.

MissingNo December 28 2006 1:12 AM EST

I like the top one. The black outline makes it look better. Maybe if the bottom one had a white outline...

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 2:35 AM EST

Updated! Merged the dragon thing with the B. They are now one!

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MissingNo December 28 2006 3:52 AM EST

Much better. The white still looks better to me, in my opinion.

Gandalf December 28 2006 4:41 AM EST

Wow Pixel Sage nice logo much better than swirly. =)

Flamey December 28 2006 5:26 AM EST

I like both. :)

AdminG Beee December 28 2006 6:05 AM EST

I like it but would also like a little swirly in one of the corners.

We can't get rid of Mr Swirly, can we..? He's as much a part of CB (dare I say it) as Jonathan is ;)

CB = Swirly = CB

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 28 2006 6:31 AM EST

Maybe make Mr Swirly an 'a'? ;)

AdminShade December 28 2006 8:19 AM EST

I think with the dragon you give too much of an asian look to the dagger, instead why not have it a more lotr or medieval look?

QBsutekh137 December 28 2006 8:26 AM EST

Fantastic! Merging the dragon into the "B" is a "slice" of genius. Get it? Slice! I think it's perfect as is, preferring the black background...

AdminNightStrike December 28 2006 9:33 AM EST

Ah, the beauty of "design by committee"......

I also felt the need to remark that the face of Mr. Swirly always reminded me of that wirefram from Strongbad when he makes video games (Your head a-splode!)

Shadowsparkle [Jago] December 28 2006 10:39 AM EST

Nice logo there, I like the black one :)

You should try to put Swirly in it, but I have no idea how ;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 28 2006 10:41 AM EST

what's with the blobish thing after the last R?

AC 478 December 28 2006 10:54 AM EST

I can't see anything after the last R. :S

Slashundhack [We Forge Our Own Stuff] December 28 2006 11:23 AM EST

Yes that blob at the end takes away from it .Like the new logo but please don 't kill swirly.If you want you could take Jons face and rivet a grill over the mouth. When he was Darth mal would be a good one.

A Lesser AR of 15 [Red Permanent Assurance] December 28 2006 3:04 PM EST

We can't lose Swirly! Edit the logo in on the right side below his face in the swirl zone.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 28 2006 3:10 PM EST

I think that blob is a Tulwar in all it's glory...all hail the Tulwar...

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 3:35 PM EST

First off, Mr. Blob balances the logo. I'll let the image do the explaining:

Secondly, I dislike Mr. Swirly with a passion. I vote against integrating it into the logo (not that there really is any good place to integrate it anyways). I propose an alternative, and that is, put Swirly somewhere else on the page (as an easter egg (figuratively speaking)). Thoughts?

Miandrital December 28 2006 3:37 PM EST

Could you integrate the blob into the r somewhat? I agree you need some balance but the blob sticks out a little too much.

QBsutekh137 December 28 2006 3:43 PM EST

I know the comments from the peanut gallery are probably getting out of hand, but believe it or not, I like the "unbalanced" logo, as it draws attention to the C and B, the B having the wonderful dragon in it. I would agree that balance is important for something that might be on a T-shirt or tangible product, but the CB logo is more like a title, something that will be in the upper left pf a page... Maybe drawing attention to the "C" and "B" makes more sense for this thing we call "CB". *smile*

I agree, let swirly die...the newness is just as important to me as the wonderful design. I can't even tell you how impressed I am, Pixel -- great work!

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 3:43 PM EST

Well, it sticks out just as much as the C does, no? But anyways, I'll do some experimenting, see if there are any other solutions to go with it.

QBsutekh137 December 28 2006 3:52 PM EST

Not only a master craftsman, but able to take suggestions well -- that really is special and impressive, Pix, I hope you know that! *smile*

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 4:53 PM EST

Man, I don't know what to do anymore. Some people want swirly, others don't care. Some people want to nerf the "blob", but that throws off the balance (and I think too much).

*rips out hair*

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 28 2006 5:08 PM EST

connect the C and the Blob with gaps for the letters and scimitar...since that's what it looks like it's supposed to be already...

let the poor swirly die...we've laughed at him enough already...

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 5:39 PM EST

Connect the C and Blob? Genius!

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 5:59 PM EST

Thoughts? Opinions? Underline is looking pretty snazzy, thanks novice!

*stabs poor swirly with dragon knife*

QBsutekh137 December 28 2006 6:00 PM EST

Oh man, now with that, should the dragon be shooting a little FIREBALL!? Orange on the black background? It might offest the weight on the bottom with action on the top?

I'm not a designer? Oh yeah, I'm not! That's why any "logo" I have ever made ends up being a montage of all that exists in space and time.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 28 2006 6:03 PM EST


QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 6:05 PM EST

You know, the fireball really isn't a bad idea, but there's a few things we may want to consider. First is the complexity of the logo... or rather, the lack of. Logos should never get too complicated. I'm already almost over the edge with the underline and weapon.

Miandrital December 28 2006 6:08 PM EST

I love the black background logo now, simple and menacing :). BTW, could you throw the little white spot from the first image back on to the dragon's head?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 28 2006 6:11 PM EST

no lens flare, it'll look weak on the shirts...

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 6:12 PM EST

The bling? Like this?

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 6:12 PM EST

Oh and yes, no on T-shirts. I say we can get rid of the glare.

AC 478 December 28 2006 6:23 PM EST

Maybe that should be a 2 at the end of the R ?

Miandrital December 28 2006 6:31 PM EST

I like the little glare, maybe it would be even better at the point of the dagger. Wont look good on the t-shirts but I think it gives the logo some more pizzaz.

QBPixel Sage December 28 2006 6:41 PM EST

I don't know about others, but I don't like all this CB1/CB2 differentiation. Do you know what I call it? I call it CB.

The glare can definitely stay depending on where it is applied, such as a webpage. However, the glare wouldn't work too well at the top of the blade, since it throws of where the light source is coming from.

QBBarzooMonkey December 28 2006 8:45 PM EST

That is just superb, Pixel! Really, speaking as a person who does design for a living, I think it's really top notch!

My one piece of advice, also speaking from the experience of being subjected to "design by commitee" on a regular basis, is to put your foot down and declare it finished! If you and Jon are happy, then it's time to stop. If you keep tweaking it to fix every suggestion, there is a good chance you'll end up settling for something fugly that you didn't intend...

The one you submitted at 5:59 PM, the black one on top with the underline motif,, is perfect, just beautiful! Stop there, I'm begging you - you'll never please everyone, and you'll run into the danger of messing it up just trying to!

Excellent job, Pixel, really excellent!!!


QBOddBird December 28 2006 9:05 PM EST

I agree. The one from 5:59 is your best work and you should stop there. I <3 it.

Miandrital December 28 2006 10:20 PM EST

I like 6:12 more :P

TheHatchetman December 28 2006 11:21 PM EST

Why replace the original? I say use both!

AdminNightStrike December 29 2006 2:07 AM EST

"Man, I don't know what to do anymore. Some people want swirly, others don't care. Some people want to nerf the "blob", but that throws off the balance (and I think too much). "

Go with what YOU like, and ignore everyone else. You're the designer..... design.

MissingNo December 29 2006 3:53 AM EST

...Why is there a jagged outline in the revised versions? The smooth outline looked better in my opinion.

A Lesser AR of 15 [Red Permanent Assurance] December 29 2006 5:15 AM EST

Trying to end this issue of the blob? Compromise.
Cut out most the curve behind the r and connect the underline to the r with a slender line similar to that width in the C or B. At a nice straight angle with a thin line between the two thicker ends would look good on it's own, but don't know how to feel when added to the greater picture so let the courts decide on that. If they can!
Because I feel the underline for symmetry is needed the same as you.
While I'm at it would like to voice on how the lettering aside from the large C & B is "big boned", lackluster, and unappealing.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] December 29 2006 12:06 PM EST

I feel that there really is too much of an Asian theme for a game based mostly around Lord of the Rings and other such fantasy works.
It is a great looking logo, don't get me wrong but I just feel it doesn't give the right impression for the game. If we are to have a logo that doesn't give a lot of insight to the game I say stay with swirly, I much prefer it myself.

QBPixel Sage December 29 2006 12:41 PM EST

The blob has long been compromised ;). I've only heard two people complain about the "Asian theme", so I don't think I'll be doing much about that. Heck, I'm Asian, and I don't even feel the Asian-ness in the logo. I'll run the 6:12 by Jonathan and see what he thinks!

Unappreciated Misnomer December 29 2006 12:43 PM EST

i like it, almost pirate like

QBPixel Sage December 29 2006 12:48 PM EST

Why thank you! Now I feel like modeling a pirate ship with this logo on its sails.

BootyGod December 29 2006 12:52 PM EST

Omg, did Pixel do it? Did he?

Did he create the ultimate pirate/ ninja logo!?!?

QBPixel Sage December 29 2006 2:52 PM EST

Bah! Jonathan likes the very first logo! But it's all imbalanced and...

*sits in corner and cries*

BootyGod December 29 2006 4:45 PM EST

It's okay Pixel. Try it out. Then ask new players opinion and ours. Once it's on the site we can see if it actually -needs- to be changed.

QBPixel Sage December 30 2006 6:19 PM EST

I asked bartjan if it would be a good idea to put up a poll. Jon definitely makes the final decision, but if the community likes the other better, it may sway Jon's opinion on the final logo.
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