MPB, Mages, Tank, oh my. (in General)
Not greatly indicative of usual damage. I spoek to the owner of this MPB today, and it was got using Pumped Ammo. But that's not the thrust of this post. ;)
His usual MPB is arond 1 Million. With normal sized ELBow and Ammo.
Cool. That's like a 2 Million trained DD.
But actually, He would usually hit three times per round, making his average damage 3 Million per round. That's more like a 6 Million trained DD.
This is on a 650K MPR character.
Taking Hubbell as an example, 2 Million MPR. Hubbell would need to almost double his trained DD to output 3 Million dmaage per round.
But that's ok and balanced isn't it?
Using massive AG, CoI, and the largest CoC in the game..
Undecided's Cone of cold hit The Chant 
Best hit I ever got. Ever. And I only get one. Starting in melee...
Hope that helps.
Cone of cold: 2,514,698/1,964,608 (554,720)
+14 CoI and AG.
February 3 2007 12:50 PM EST
I do not think most people agree with the ability to upgrade ammo, given the super damage the ELB does.
Especially when used for defense.
IE, a x3000 elb with normal arrows does more damage in missile then my x12000 MH.
February 3 2007 1:17 PM EST
GL, the multi-hit argument can be offset by the fact that physical damage can also _miss_. DD never can. Multi-hits can be foiled by DBs, dexterity, and Evasion. So that at least provides _some_ balance...
I hear your point loud and clear, it just isn't quite as cut and dried as that. *smile*
I feel it is Sute.
After a point, Physical can never miss.
But even if you do cut the number of attacks per round by half (through the ways you listed for example), that's no different to a mage facing an AMF of 50%.
Pops, this damage is what he usually did. Not on defense. Granted the MPB was from super ammo. ;)
Oh, I should also add the ELBow was fully under his WA as well, so added no PR to hit team.
February 3 2007 2:11 PM EST
Remember that a walls AC is very high vs physical damage (where all of it counts), but not as high vs magic damage (only the + counts).
IE, my wall takes a lot more damage vs Sut's MM then vs Jayuu's x9000 MH hitting me for 4 times a round.
AC 410+TOE vs physical against AC 266+TPE vs magical. That is a large difference.
I know, I am an extreme example but there are advantages to playing a mage.
I agree. But then your wall could instead use an EH and a MgS. ;)
February 3 2007 2:47 PM EST
Don't forget about Pop's EC, making Jay dish out less damage than normal.
February 3 2007 2:50 PM EST
My EC is 600k, surely not enough to put a dent in over 3.3M Str.
That depends on how much 300K STR influences damage. ;)
GL, I don't disagree with you, however heres my spin on the same topic :D
"His usual MPB is arond 1 Million. With normal sized ELBow and Ammo." = $$$ + arm and a leg
That's like a 2 Million trained DD = $0
I make 1 mil/week, on a good week. It's going to take a long time for my tank to reach that kind of damage. A normal sized Elbow plus gear is still pretty pricey for the average player (thats me :D).
Yes, tanks can dish out oodles of damage, but it takes cash and time (or deep pockets).
I think more interesting numbers would be to compare MPB:NW:PR against DD:NW:PR. I think there will be a more useful comparison there.
Horse, take a look at ELB past auctions. ;)
With the exception of the massively big ones, most went for 1 to 1.5 Mil. So a week to week and a halfs playing can get you one.
Spend another couple of weeks upping the X and you have a nicely sized Elbow. ;)
Not really an arm and a leg. ;)
hrm interesting...have to admit I was under the impression they were still very very pricey.
I'd could handle giving up a few fingers for one :D
February 4 2007 2:28 AM EST
A lot of people tend to have 4 minion teams, an MEEE or TEEE, 3 corns can cost over 10 mil...
or that 10 mil could go straight into a weapon if you don't bother with the corns ;)
/me looks around and whispers *stop beating the horse guys it's already dead*
February 4 2007 7:15 AM EST
Who killed the pony?
Horseguy is dead and beaten! O_O Who let this happen? ;)
the only point at which physical damage doesnt miss is when you stop upgrading your defenses to make it miss
It's ok I'm used to it...
I can still banter from a fragile, beaten, broken position :D
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