Free Retraining (in General)

BootyGod March 24 2007 2:53 PM EDT

There have been two so far. Each has come to, I think, the general happiness of CB.

But, now I here very often during strategy discussions something along the lines of "I will run this, until the next free train, and then go to my main strategy".

My question is, will it come?

Are these player chugging along in these strategies, building up exp, only to lose it after a year of no free retrain and a strategy that has hit the end of it's usefulness?

A bigger question. Should there be a free retrain?

I'm in favor of it. It keeps the game fun and fresh and let's people do what they love, experimenting. I also hope the next one comes with free reink. The USD spenders have it made already... but I digress...

So, to repeat, Should there be a free retrain? Does CB want one? If CB doesn't care, will Jon be giving us one?

Thanks for your time.

QBRanger March 24 2007 2:57 PM EDT


There should not be free retraining with every changemonth.
Perhaps one free retraining per user per year at most.

tscm March 24 2007 2:59 PM EDT

I'm sure most everyone has been thinking about this, I know I have. I think it would be a great thing to CB, and I think the Free Retrain should be at least twice a year. This would be a very good add to CB.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] March 24 2007 3:00 PM EDT

the old NCB or Free Retrain huh huh

QBOddBird March 24 2007 3:05 PM EDT

Jonathan, you've spoiled the children by taking them to the candy shop one too many times!

BootyGod March 24 2007 3:10 PM EDT

Really though, I would like a definite answer. I feel it's unfair for people to be basing strategies on something that may or may not come. Especially something as drastic as waiting for 1 million MPR then changing strategies.

I do, of course, understand they do that at their own risk. But it would be nice to not make people waste NCBs on this if they know it's coming, and it would also be nice to encourage slightly more radical strategy ideas with the comfort of another chance if it's horrible.

Just me thoughts.

AdminLamuness March 24 2007 3:22 PM EDT

I'll have to agree with OB. And aside from that, I've never based my strategy on whether I get free retrain or not. Also, think of it this way, if you could predict what Jon would do every changemonth, then you would definitely be basing your strategy around that, no? Since that's not the case, yes everyone is chugging along with their current strategy. If you want to change your strategy, take the penalty. So to get to the point, no free retrain.

Gandalf March 24 2007 3:33 PM EDT

I also agree with OB, People should plan out there stratergies before they see weaknesses and then decide to get a 'get out of jail card free' by using the free retrain method.

DiabloSpawn March 24 2007 3:38 PM EDT

"Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny."

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 24 2007 3:40 PM EDT

without major drastic changes, there won't be one...the second one was a result of the Archery bug in my opinion...

Tezmac March 24 2007 3:41 PM EDT

"There should not be free retraining with every changemonth.
Perhaps one free retraining per user per year at most."

I suggested this to Jon a couple months back and he liked the idea, or so I was told. I was hoping he would implement it this time round, maybe in his "One-Hour Feature Request", but then again, this might take more than an hour to do :O)

Unappreciated Misnomer March 24 2007 3:55 PM EDT

obviously cb'ers have been spoiled one too many times

Shadowsparkle [Jago] March 24 2007 4:10 PM EDT

There should be no more free retraining.

Spend your EXP wise, and if you don't like your strategy, pay the price. The penalty for untrain is already low enough.

winner winner March 24 2007 4:16 PM EDT

Why would even think about wanting a free reink? Just pay the 400k and reink your tattoo now if you have too cuz there isn't gonna be a free reink

QBRanger March 24 2007 4:17 PM EDT

I would completely agree with Shadowsparkle's statement if and only if there were the ability to partially unlearn.

Right now, If i wanted to put about 100k of my str into evasion, I would have to unlearn all 2 million of it, learn 100k evasion and relearn the rest into str.

Just make it possible to partially unlearn and things would me much easier.

Shadowsparkle [Jago] March 24 2007 4:21 PM EDT

Yes PM, had it in mind, but forgot to add that part.

Vicious Cat March 24 2007 4:32 PM EDT

I'm with PM - I'd even not mind slightly harsher penalties to get it

Unappreciated Misnomer March 24 2007 6:38 PM EDT

although id like to retrain my team each month to stimulate the economy, it would be cool to have a 2mil mpr 4 fbm with 20hp ^_^ just to see what it does

Adminedyit [Superheros] March 24 2007 6:49 PM EDT

dies from AMF in the 1st round...

I don't think there should be a free rtrain unless there is a drastic change that completely sets the CB world on its ear.

Relic March 24 2007 7:03 PM EDT

I would be in favor of either choosing a NCB every 4 months, or a free retrain.

th00p March 24 2007 7:28 PM EDT

"Jonathan, you've spoiled the children by taking them to the candy shop one too many times!"

I think you mean twice too many times, OB. Seriously, I don't think there should ever be a free untraining. The untrain penalties are there because Jon feels there should be a cost to constantly changing your team, and the fact that its a changemonth shouldn't change that. If anything, people should be more expecting that there will be a large change during the 1 month, and maybe save up some stored exp.

Tyriel [123456789] March 24 2007 7:46 PM EDT

How will storing XP do anything at all? It just means you lose a bit less IF something happens, and you're weaker in battle until either something happens or the changemonth is over.

Why should people be penalized if a part (or the whole) or their strategy is changed or nerfed? How am I supposed to know if 3/4 of my XP in EC will suddenly become weaker, or no longer be any good against the defensive DX of Evasion?

Keep some sort of retraining in place. I don't care how or when. Maybe keep it in one of those "In case of nerfs" boxes.

th00p March 24 2007 7:50 PM EDT

CB is all about changing with the game. Just because your EC might get nerfed the same way my ELB was (although it won't be 3/4 or ti) doesn't mean you have to whine and cry until Jon decides to give you a way to back out of training it into something that now works better. We already have a sort of retraining, it's called losing 5-10% of the exp you invested in to change your strat to overcome the new changes. Heck, if we had free retraining every changemonth, I'd almost bet on 50% of people changing to the new 'hot' strat of the month. What kind of a game is that? Leave it the way it is, it keeps variety in the game.

tscm March 24 2007 8:16 PM EDT

For one, I was suggesting a free retrain at least once or twice a year. Also, there doesn't have to be a set date for it, it can just be a random one day thing. Or if you guys STILL don't like free retraining, it can be a random 6 hour thing every year. I would be happy if there is any free retrain, no matter how small a chance.

Tyriel [123456789] March 25 2007 1:03 AM EDT

"I'd almost bet on 50% of people changing to the new 'hot' strat of the month."

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people would also change their strats so that they can easily beat the 'hot' strat of the month, and some people would change their strat to accommodate for the changes in the strats of 50% of the people around them, and then the people with the 'hot' strat would need to change because they can't find targets, as 50% of the people out there are specialized to beat them.

Maybe not that extreme, but that's what would happen. EVERYTHING affects everything else.

If people changing their strat is too much of a problem (with you and everybody else), it doesn't have to be every changemonth. Once a year, twice a year, every 2 hours. It doesn't matter, just keep some sort of free retraining in place.

I think that NCB vs. free retraining choice every 4 months would be nice.

TheHatchetman March 25 2007 5:06 AM EDT

"I feel it's unfair for people to be basing strategies on something that may or may not come"

Like item nerfs/boosts?

Hi im Jake March 25 2007 11:16 AM EDT

you got to think. why did jon issue a free untraining period? because he introduced new skills into the game. and he wanted to give everyone a chance to use or defend against them
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