Evasion and EC (in General)

Atomicboy [The Knighthood] March 30 2007 6:34 PM EDT

I cant seem to find a clear answer on how these spells interact. So how exactly do they work?

[T]Vestax March 30 2007 6:47 PM EDT

At the end of a battle, regardless of what you have as a skill, if you've taken DX drain, it will subtract it from your DX and display it. Note that this number can be negative. A negative number is effectively a zero in game mechanics, but it is not actually zero, it is negative.

Evasion adds defensive DX to your current real DX. If the number is still negative, then you have an effective DX of zero when defending. This is why negative DX is like zero DX but not in reality.

QBRanger March 30 2007 8:08 PM EDT

Where o where did Jon ever confirm that EC subtracts from evasions defensive dexterity?

I think that is AB's question. We have many "theories" on the subject, but where is the cold hard proof?

Nerevas March 30 2007 8:23 PM EDT

I can tell you it does for sure. I had my 20 dex tank with -300k effective EC. Against mages with evasion I drained their defensive dex to 0 and landed multi hits where otherwise I should have been unable to hit if EC worked differently.

QBsutekh137 March 30 2007 8:34 PM EDT

It has been shown anecdotally many times (enough that I believe it), but I am not sure Jonathan ever confirmed.

Waaaay back, during a free retrain time, Mikel (with The Alchemist) had a huge bow, big archery, and a massive EC. He pegged my in round one of ranged every time, even though I had the same large Evasion I have now. My Evasion was enough to knock out all his pth, but his dexterity had enough to land blows because his EC reduced my defensive dexterity to crap.

I personally think that is exactly how it should work... EC should deliver its payload any way it can. *smile*

QBRanger March 30 2007 8:48 PM EDT


Understood. Many people reported it, but these are just examples we see as players.

There have been a few times where we were totally wrong (original UC I believe was not really found out its damage weapon equivalent)

I know of a few people that knowing if EC certainly without doubt reduces defensive evasion dex would change their strategy. At least add more to their current EC or start/relearn it.

But, if in the Mikel/Hubbell example above, Mikel losing the same EC missed you, then that can be almost certain proof of it.

horseguy001 March 30 2007 8:53 PM EDT

I remember a thread awhile back that had Jon confirming it did take away from def dex...I will have a look and see if I can find it.

horseguy001 March 30 2007 8:59 PM EDT


Jackpot, I think :D

""negatives were a display bug"

it's treated like base DX (or maybe 1, or 0, I forget) -- but it does go negative, for precisely the reason Miandrital gave"- Jon

"I was under the impression that EC did reduce defensive dex. Because if you have -100,000 dex after EC, any defensive dex is just added to that, so a 50k evasion would only bring you up to -50,000 dex, in melee at least.

Correct me if I am wrong..."

--Miandrital, December 11 2006 10:37 PM EST

QBJohnnywas March 30 2007 9:05 PM EDT

Lol, GL got so excited he went and trained EC after that thread!

QBRanger March 30 2007 9:08 PM EDT



horseguy001 March 30 2007 9:15 PM EDT

no problem PM,

I guess thats what an unhealthy amount of forum lurking will do...lets me know everything that gets posted around here :D

QBRanger March 30 2007 9:19 PM EDT

From that thread i got concluded the following:

Defensive dex is reduced by EC BEFORE the missile round multipliers are used.

Which i guess is the right thing.

QBsutekh137 March 31 2007 12:25 AM EDT

Great research!

[T]Vestax March 31 2007 2:42 AM EDT

Didn't know you guys didn't know that. The posts revolving around the revised evasion was one of the last things I remember before leaving for a while. I guess I had no chance to become confused I guess.

[T]Vestax March 31 2007 2:44 AM EDT

I guess that I guess... wait... that doesn't even make sense.
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