MTL vs PR Increase (in General)

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] April 29 2007 10:43 AM EDT

hey guys i need some help from the community see im working on a fumula and a graph for MTL vs PR increase so far i noticed that the pr added by a tattoo decreases as you MTL increase so the higher up are getting a less % of there MTL added to there pr than we do im still working out some stuff but i need data

so if you can help please do i need you the be able to max out your tattoo and then i need this info
PR when you have no tattoo on (rmor and other stuff is fine just unequip your tattoo)
PR After you equip a maxed tattoo
thanks just cm of post info here

QBRanger April 29 2007 10:46 AM EDT

PR / MPR: 3,688,080 / 2,571,078 with Steeds of the Apocalypse lvl 3,883,164 equipped. I am not at my MTL.

PR / MPR: 3,011,452 / 2,571,078 without it equipped

Max tattoo: 4,966,538

I know it is not a maxed tattoo but hopefully this info may help.

Lochnivar April 29 2007 11:11 AM EDT

With Tattoo
Score / PR / MPR: 1,540,036 / 1,211,076 / 843,205
Without Tattoo
Score / PR / MPR: 1,609,817 / 924,771 / 843,205

MTL: 1,251,933
Tattoo: lvl 1,394,786

[MP]MoneyPig [SNB Forging Services] April 29 2007 11:16 AM EDT

Without tattoo: PR / MPR: 55,976 / 55,039

With tattoo: PR / MPR: 74,961 / 55,039

MTL: Max tattoo: 57,007

[T]Vestax April 29 2007 11:19 AM EDT

Make sure you go to the train page before you post the data as that will update your MTL. This goes double for those who have been fighting recently without training.

[T]Vestax April 29 2007 11:20 AM EDT

PR with tattoo only: 1,025,102

MPR: 761,505

Max tattoo: 1,107,125

AdminNightStrike April 29 2007 1:26 PM EDT

Actually, if you post your info before and after visiting the train page, you can give Drakon more data to work with.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] April 29 2007 5:36 PM EDT

vestax i need Pr before tattoo and pr after

Nerevas April 29 2007 5:45 PM EDT

You should ask people to train all their available xp as well. Since MTL is based off of VMPR.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] April 29 2007 6:03 PM EDT

also any person with a maxed out tattoo please put your info big or small it doesnt matter and if anyone has a max tattoo as low a possible (note a new charcter with max tattoo of lvl 20 with no mpr doesnt give accurte result they need to have a mpr of some sort)

[T]Vestax April 29 2007 6:30 PM EDT

Darkon, I'm sorry you didn't understand, but if I gave you the PR of my team with only the tattoo being equiped, then that same team with the tattoo removed has a PR equal to my MPR.

The PR you are looking for is the same as the MPR I gave you.

QBRanger April 29 2007 10:42 PM EDT

PR / MPR: 644,628 / 596,635 Max tattoo: 820,964 -no tattoo
PR / MPR: 847,850 / 596,635 Max tattoo: 820,964 - max tattoo on

PR / MPR: 117,484 / 117,106 Max tattoo: 129,010 -no tattoo
PR / MPR: 157,993 / 117,106 Max tattoo: 129,010 -max tattoo on

PR / MPR: 92,096 / 84,915 Max tattoo: 94,573 -no tattoo
PR / MPR: 120,996 / 84,915 Max tattoo: 94,573 -max tattoo on

PR / MPR: 72,922 / 72,754 Max tattoo: 79,116 -no tattoo
PR / MPR: 98,093 / 72,754 Max tattoo: 79,116 -max tattoo on

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] April 30 2007 1:10 PM EDT

Do you realize that the more NW related PR you have the less PR further NW adds.

AdminNightStrike April 30 2007 5:28 PM EDT

RD - What is the basis for that?

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 1 2007 12:17 AM EDT

RD- all items are weighted so that the more + they have the more pr it gives based on the exp of the minion wearing it. tattoos however dont grant pr based on exp trained per + or lvl or anything minion based, but tattoos give pr based on MTL which is based on VMPR which is a charcter based attribute so thats why i was trying to find the info for MTL so i can post my findings in the wiki. so i dont know what you thought that was based on but its probly because you minions have different exp train ;)

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 1 2007 12:18 AM EDT

also guys come on i dont think only like 5 people have maxed out tattoos it doesnt take but five minutes to jot down the info and post it so please do if you tattoo is maxed thanks alot if you can help

AdminNightStrike May 1 2007 12:22 AM EDT

DS - RD seems to be saying something else. If you put a tattoo on a naked minion, it will add X PR. If you put the same tattoo on the same minion combined with other pieces of equipment, the tattoo will add Y PR where Y < X.

Drakon(DS) [Guardian Bros Inc] May 1 2007 12:43 AM EDT

no i tested that before i even started to see if that would matter thats how i came up with the PR increase based off of MTL what i think he is saying and i think it wrong is
PR increase of an individual item decreases as total PR increases

AdminNightStrike May 1 2007 12:54 AM EDT


MPR 900,877
W/ Tattoo - 932301
- Diff = 31424

W/ Equipment - 1212615
W/ Tattoo and Equipment - 1241828
- Diff = 29213

Sounds like RD is on to something.

AdminNightStrike May 1 2007 1:17 AM EDT

FYI, I put equipment on minions 1 and 3, and the tattoo on minion 2. The tattoo definitely added less PR than it did with no equipment anywhere.

Flamey May 1 2007 3:36 AM EDT

sounds like this is all confusing.

Before I post useless information because of what NS discovered. Wont you need to know whether tattoo is named or not? or wont that add to the PR or effect of what you're doing?

AdminNightStrike May 1 2007 3:48 AM EDT

RD, not NS

Flamey May 1 2007 3:50 AM EDT

well, yeah, but then you tested it for some data/evidence so that's what I was thinking, I knew it was RD. :)
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