Time for a Single Mage again? (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 10 2007 10:30 AM EDT

With the advent of these new gloves, I'm quite fired up about starting a new single Mage.

What I've got in mind is;

Evasion, HP, CoC.
HoC, TSA, New Gloves, EB, EC, AoF.

Evaison pumped by an Amulet of Focus, Elven Boots and Elven Cloak for Tank defense, and the New Gloves plus healing from a TSA to reduce AMF backlash. (A ToE would probably be better, but this way I get to wear an EC for Evasion!)

With a HoC boosted CoC for offense. :)

And Probably a 1K AMF for facing base decays. ;)

Brakke Bres [Ow man] May 10 2007 10:33 AM EDT

You still get owned by single archers ToA tanks with those huge elbs, unless Jon invents The Shield of ELB with -100% damage taken by ELBS, single mage is not a good strat

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] May 10 2007 10:33 AM EDT

It sounds interesting to me especially if you can hit a nice high evasion and not have to worry about Archers.... But you know FB and MM will eat you alive... maybe add a mage wall later on with some AS

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 10 2007 10:38 AM EDT

Or increase my AMF past an anti base decay 1K. ;)

That and wear a shield. ;)

I know I'm gonna suffer some Magic penalties from armour, maybe I'll drop the EC for a CoI. ;)

Tezmac May 10 2007 10:42 AM EDT

Like Hank said, with archers hitting 1M+ per shot with 3-5 shots per round, you'd get owned. Especially if you used COC as they'd get 3 rounds in (read: 9M - 15M damage) before you even got a chance to attack.

QBJohnnywas May 10 2007 10:45 AM EDT

If archers annoy....avoid the archers.....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 10 2007 10:47 AM EDT

Or hope a suped up Evasion with EB and AoF will scupper them. ;)

QBJohnnywas May 10 2007 10:47 AM EDT

or maybe a ToA with SoD......

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 10 2007 10:50 AM EDT

Personally, I think it's the age of the IF...

My (very borrowed) IF has 2.1 mil HP and about 3 mil into DD, granted that will go down with the new gloves that are my perfect item, and my own personal wet dream. Those stats almost match what a single mage of my level could expect, but in addition to those massive numbers, I have 4 other minion with massive HP, and a GA that has a max return of about 400k. My IF is hidden behind at 3-4 minions, and is protected from decay by GA. All but the largest archer vaporize themselves.

QBRanger May 10 2007 10:57 AM EDT

Well with seekers and a x800 elb, I manage to kill your IF in 2 rounds before it can even fire off one spell.

So even the most puny of archers with a decent elb and seekers can likely take out your familiar before it fires more then 1 CoC.

QBRanger May 10 2007 10:58 AM EDT


IF seekers were no more, the IF and COC would be very viable. However, I doubt that will happen.

QBsutekh137 May 10 2007 11:14 AM EDT

Here's the bottom line on the new gloves -- if a strategy couldn't beat non-AMF users before (like, say, archers), the new gloves aren't going to help. In fact, they will hurt, because of the AG gap.

So, would your strategy have dominated non-AMF users before? If not, I am not sure I understand why these new gloves are much to get excited about (especially without knowing the prices on the upgrade curve).

QBsutekh137 May 10 2007 11:16 AM EDT

Or, to go along with Johnny -- if AMF annoys, avoid AMF. That can only go so far, though -- you can't avoid everyone and still be successful. *smile*

Will the new gloves give you NEW people in your fightlist, or will it just be a switch that let's you add AMF folks while removing some others?

QBRanger May 10 2007 11:16 AM EDT

Like Sut says:

If they really lower the AMF damage you take, then vs DM characters they are far worse then using AGs.

Now one has to ask: Do I die from AMF backlash, or do I die from a MH to the head? If the answer is the latter, then the new gloves will not help much.

Tezmac May 10 2007 11:46 AM EDT

Odds are it's not a MH to the head, but an arrow through the chest. :O)

QBsutekh137 May 10 2007 11:47 AM EDT

"MH to the head"...I like that!

Depending on how big these new gloves can get, though, closer-to-base Decay is still going to be more effective (and not even for the backlash reduction). Also, low Decay was not the kind of thing people wasted AGs on before (thereby not making the new gloves mutually exclusive in such cases).

QBRanger May 10 2007 12:24 PM EDT

But a decay's AMF can never kill the casting minion. So using a nice set of these new gloves on such a minion is likely a waste of money.

And of course Tez is right: More like an arrow through the chest rather then a MH to the head.

QBsutekh137 May 10 2007 12:32 PM EDT

Ranger, these aren't only backlash reducing...they reduce AMF, thereby making the ramp-up on the damage even a small Decay can do even that much better. And since a Decay mage probably wouldn't have had AGs on anyway, this is just gravy. That all depends on the curve, like I said. If reducing AMF 40-50% is feasible, then even a small Decay will be able to land some serious damage.

QBOddBird May 10 2007 12:35 PM EDT

Nope, it says 'AMF damage reducing', which means to me that AMF still is reducing your DD, you just get less backlash.

QBsutekh137 May 10 2007 12:38 PM EDT

Ah, OK, I didn't realize that. More and more I think these new gloves are downright useless, unless the curve is REALLY easy.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 10 2007 12:43 PM EDT

I like 'em! ;) Nice part of an endurance set up. But now I'm torn. TSA + CoI or ToE? :/

QBsutekh137 May 10 2007 12:47 PM EDT

Without AGs, I would say TSA and CoI. You are only trying to get back what you are losing in backlash, right? TSA and ToE will both suffer from the same problem -- huge blows that won't be diminished or recovered from in either case.

Though, a ToE will help more against FF and MM, since those spells don't hit nearly as hard as arrows.

QBOddBird May 10 2007 12:58 PM EDT

They aren't useless, just more useful for the CoC mage than for the MM or FB mage. After all, we already have the damage, it's the backlash that is all the trouble. ^_^

QBRanger May 10 2007 1:46 PM EDT


Aside from those that persist to try CoC, how many mages in battle actually die from AMF vs an arrow to the heart or MH to the head?

For MM and/or FB mages, go for the damage with AG's.

For a COC mage, perhaps these gloves will be good, but then again only vs AMF characters and not DM ones. So vs about 1/3 your possible opponents the gloves are worthless. Still I would think AG's would be better.

But this is all if the gloves function as we think they do.

Flamey May 11 2007 12:25 AM EDT

CoC sucks against DM teams? How so?

CoC's damage is fine, right? You even went to prove this and that the only wrong with it is the AMF Backlash.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 11 2007 5:16 AM EDT

I've decided. ;)

Evasion, HP, CoC, small AMF
HoC, TSA, NS, EB, CoI, AoF.

I'm steering clear of ED, there's not really one worth spending any points in (maybe a base Prot) and it renders my opponents DM worthless. ;)

Time for a Mage based ED? I know Sute's asked for one for ages!

Flamey May 11 2007 5:59 AM EDT

Base Protection FTW!

Kong Ming May 11 2007 7:20 AM EDT

GL, no evasion?

Flamey May 11 2007 7:44 AM EDT


QBsutekh137 May 11 2007 10:02 AM EDT

Looks like Evasion is in his list... It would have to be...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 11 2007 10:49 AM EDT

That's a big thumbs up for Evasion! ;)

That plus the AoF is my only hope versus Tanks. I just hope it will be enough. ;)

QBRanger May 11 2007 10:50 AM EDT

The problem with an AOF on a mage is the increased AMF you take.

SundariZelia [The Knighthood] May 11 2007 10:54 AM EDT

But the new gloves he will be using will reduce the AMF backlash.

QBRanger May 11 2007 10:56 AM EDT

It is not just the backlash, the AMF effect is higher vs him if he uses an AOF.

Therefore he would do less damage.

QBOddBird May 11 2007 10:58 AM EDT

With a CoC, hopefully that won't matter.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 11 2007 11:47 AM EDT

Exactly! ;)
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