Another one of my Quick Qs :) (in General)

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 2:55 PM EDT

Very simple.

How much impact does accumulating 1600 ba have on a starting NCB?

I certainly do not aim to take Ranger's place and all, but I will buy all my BA for at least a month or two.

AdminNightStrike June 1 2007 2:56 PM EDT


Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 2:57 PM EDT

Could you please define ''Huge'' :P

Estimation on MPR with a RoE equipped?

Minor Threat June 1 2007 3:52 PM EDT

That's not a quick question.. Or is it? :P

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 3:59 PM EDT

Maybe it went quicker in my head.

Now that I re-read it, NS's response is totally relevant to what I have asked.

AdminJonathan June 1 2007 4:03 PM EDT

do the math, how much is 1600 compared to how much you will spend during 40 months

QBsutekh137 June 1 2007 4:19 PM EDT

Buying all BA, using 6/20 as rate for all:
24 hours of BA = 432 BA
plus 12 hours-worth of purchased BA = 216
that would be 648 BA per day
times 120 days of bonus = 77,760 BA total
1600/77760 = 0.0206, or around 2%

Not buying any BA makes the ratio 1600/51840 = 0.03086, or 3%

Using 7/20 as an average rate (probably closer to the truth) yields:
504 BA a day natively, 756 BA a day with all purchased
All BA purchased: 1600/90720 = 0.0176
No BA purchased: 1600/60480 = 0.0265

Now, using all initial 1600 during high experience time will get you more experience. Isn't it 60% more? So, multiply 3% by 1.6...

You might, after all is said and done, squeak out an extra 5% (on the very generous upside).

Downsides: 1600 takes a while to burn, you are losing accrued BA during that time (less of an issue now that 20 minutes is the refresh rate). Also, it is hard to find "good" fights at first -- those first 1600 battles are going to involve constant training, constant tweaking, and lots of rifling through a fight list.

Knock off 1% for all of that downside.

In my opinion, having 1600 BA at the beginning _might_ lead to a 3-4% difference by the end. That's 30,000 to 40,000 MPR on 1 million MPR (assuming linear curve, which it isn't, so what).

So, yeah, there's an advantage. If NS thinks that advantage is "huge", I'd hate to be him when his boss offers him a "huge" raise every year... *smile*

QBsutekh137 June 1 2007 4:20 PM EDT

And since when is bonus period 40 months, Jonathan? *wink*

Best. Typo. Ever.

Tezmac June 1 2007 4:22 PM EDT

Fixed Better. ;O)

AdminNightStrike June 1 2007 5:24 PM EDT

Look at it a different way, Sutekh. Every day as a bonus char is equal to eight days as a Jan 1 character. So that extra 1600 BA is worth 20 days as a Jan 1 character, all spent during XP time (actually, if you're starting an NCB, the best time to start is a few hours BEFORE bonus time so that you can rev up your fight list). If Ranger missed the next 20 consecutive Tuesday/Saturday pairs, would you over take him?

QBsutekh137 June 1 2007 6:09 PM EDT

NS, regardless of how you slice it, the end result is the same. Whether you ratio 1600 to the BA available during a bonus or you equate it to 20 days in a game that is ~880 days old, what is the difference? It is still 2% multiplied by whatever high experience time is.

That number is not "huge" by most people's definition of the word. If so, then the modest raise I got for my last annual review would be considered mega-huge (but it wasn't).

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 6:45 PM EDT

Thanks for the answers people.

Thing is, I'm trying to find out if waiting for 1600 ba is worth not making any clan points for 3 days straight, and waiting until Tuesday, because I am rather impatient to get going :)
If I calculate the MPR I gain in 20 days without a gives me around 66k. I make +-100k a month.

So, in the end, the difference would be of 66k?

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 6:52 PM EDT

Yep, after all, it represents 2.5ish days of regular BA burning for me.

I do 3k MPR a day. But then it's a bonus day, on which I make 60% more XP. And get a 145% bonus on top or that.

Doesn't that equal almost nothing?

Yeah, yeah, I know, I suck at math.

QBsutekh137 June 1 2007 7:11 PM EDT

Waiting to start with 1600 makes sense -- I don't think the benefits are "huge", but if clan stuff is the only downside, why not start out fast from the gate? By the time you are burned through the 1600, you will be out of the lower rabble and into areas where you can start making a fight list worthwhile (I would assume).

I also assume it will be quite a rush, crushing your way up the ladder in such rocketish fashion. That's a quality that no percentage can account for. *smile*

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 7:20 PM EDT

I guess so.

Sometimes it just takes people to put things in perspective.

I'll try to get my NCB sent tonight, and I'll be ready for Tuesday.

QBsutekh137 June 1 2007 7:32 PM EDT

The biggest thing to remember is to HAVE FUN! *smile*

Take your time, feel the burn, do your best -- this is a game... Enjoy the rise and when it is all done, you can always go on the ride again! *smile*

Nerevas June 1 2007 9:03 PM EDT

The benefit is mostly to your psychological health. The newbie levels 1-50k mpr are annoying as heck so if you can knock them out with the first day of your character its very very nice.

Nerevas June 1 2007 9:20 PM EDT

And ya it probably works out to something like 2-3%. Some people would call that huge, others wouldn't.

Kong Ming June 1 2007 10:24 PM EDT

Another benefit is it is cheaper to buy 1600 BA in the beginning...

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 1 2007 11:57 PM EDT

That's what Belle-Ange keeps arguing about, the cheaper cost of ba in the beginning.

No downside about waiting for 1600, i guess.

QBsutekh137 June 2 2007 12:30 AM EDT

Yeah, it's essentially a free 1600, no doubt about that!

Blarg June 2 2007 12:54 AM EDT

from wiki:

Additionally, any BA over 160 that is held at the time of NCB creation goes away, preventing massive build-up of bought BA to boost one's NCB.

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] June 2 2007 8:31 AM EDT

If you get an NCB sent to you, does it still knock it down to 160..?

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] June 2 2007 8:54 AM EDT

I'm pretty sure it does not.

QBsutekh137 June 2 2007 10:13 AM EDT

Right, this is a transfer trick, and its the reason the hard cap at 1600 was implemented. So I guess the 1600 isn't really "free"...some cajoling must ensue to get it done... But moneywise it is essentially free...
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