Someone explain the PG rule. (in General)


TH [money] June 5 2007 9:56 PM EDT

<(Shinobu)-Mos_^^> everyone ever think that Ranger and TH is Jon's Multies?
<lostling> yep
<lostling> definitely
<{sky tale}> ranger i always knew was jon's multi
<{sky tale}> always
has joined the room.
<(CB1)logan666> I've always thought all the top players were Jon's multis
<Ranger> i already have the love of my life at home, my wife
<Juggernaut> Jon is totally my multi.
<MegaSlayer09> ya guess well have to ban jon
<TH> Ranger *does* live multiple lives.
<lostling> people used to think i was jon's multi back in CB 1 :x
<(Shinobu)-Mos_^^> lol
<lostling> my nick was johnliu :X
<Ranger> o, i do TH, and you know this how?
<TH> The life he lives on CB and the one broad casted on 20/20 to catch a predator.
<TH> 0.0 !!
<(Shinobu)-Mos_^^> See? TH loves Ranger
<(Shinobu)-Mos_^^> he's admitting his love
<{sky tale}> ranger is actually steve Irwin
*** Killed by Ranger: Bye bye

Saying Ranger made a cameo appearance on "20/20 To Catch a Predator" isn't PG, yet saying "putz" (slang word for you know what) is fine.

ScY June 5 2007 10:04 PM EDT

atleast get my name right >.<

SBW June 5 2007 10:09 PM EDT

name wrong = he made it up? or what???

TH [money] June 5 2007 10:09 PM EDT

It was the spell check. Wouldn't let me post unless i fixed the errors, so I changed your name.

ScY June 5 2007 10:10 PM EDT

hm... i don't know why my name is wrong, that conversation went something like that.... maybe he c/p ed it wrong?

couldn't tell ya, but most of that is not fabrication

SBW June 5 2007 10:11 PM EDT

bladuihfs;iodhfaosihfdoaiosdhfoaisdhfaso;fah do it in HTML then :)

TH [money] June 5 2007 10:13 PM EDT

None of it is fabricated. I changed the names since spell check wouldn't let me put it through. Using </nospellcheck> ruined everything. So I removed parts of some names, changed some names, and deleted the guy's name that had entered the room. Thats it.

So can someone explain this to me?

ScY June 5 2007 10:13 PM EDT

oh, haha... jon, for future notice, my name should be added to the spell check (it was devised by the brilliant frank herbert after all)

;) btw jon, if you do ever actually read this, great job with the changemonth thus far! (fire fox doesnt recognize jon as spelled correctly ;) )

QBRanger June 5 2007 10:30 PM EDT

Before Bast gets on and says that is garbage or heavily edited, I did what I did due to the fact that is the 2nd time you called or intimated that I was a pedophile.

The appropriate admins have already been notified.

Posting this in chat is a nice way to start a spam fest and trolls are not looked on nicely in CB.

Mem June 5 2007 10:37 PM EDT

I'm totally sick of these posts. It's absolutely stupid for you all to complain about not knowing the rules when the ops don't even know the rules. People like this made me not want to be here, and it's making me not want to come back.

When the ops are in the "know" then you all will be too. Until then the ops just have to do the best they can do, and if you don't like it then you should just quit.

Miandrital June 5 2007 10:38 PM EDT

If this is the second time that he has defamed you I totally support the /kill, fwiw. However, if this was a first time incident I would have leaned toward a /kick.

QBRanger June 5 2007 10:41 PM EDT

Mian,

Funny thing you posted. The first time he did it, I did just kick him. Just to try to avoid this type of troll post. Seems he did not learn his lesson.

TH [money] June 5 2007 10:49 PM EDT

Yesterday I said he had a fetish for little boys.

SBW June 5 2007 10:53 PM EDT

you should shut up. right NOW

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] June 5 2007 11:18 PM EDT

You deserved it, really.

Timberwolf June 5 2007 11:43 PM EDT

TH, as a chat op, had I been there and personally witnessed you slander someone like that, I would have removed you from the room myself.

Personal attacks are not welcome in chat.

MissingNo June 5 2007 11:52 PM EDT

Mem, honestly, let it go. Someone complained against a decision you made, yes, but remember, Jonathon asked the other people with authority and said himself that generally agreed that you had acted too quickly.

Oh, and TH, I don't really have an opinion on Ranger's decision. A kill isn't the worst thing in the world. Best to just roll with the punches and move on. And also, when you're using HTML mode, the code <br> is the HTML code to go to the next line.

AdminNightStrike June 6 2007 12:30 AM EDT

the PG rule... If you're Pretty Good, you rule!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 6 2007 12:35 AM EDT

oh the irony...

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001vsh

the above thread really bothered me due to the fact that a well-known player was making accusations about a relative unknown. the community seemed to think it was acceptable though because it was a possibility and therefore public accusations, if even remotely possible, are ok.

i do not agree with slander and think that baseless accusations in general are wrong and should be avoided, however i also believe all should be held to that standard. i am aware that cheating in a game and accusing someone of pedophilia are very different matters as well. it is the principle in general that i found the irony in.

QBRanger June 6 2007 12:40 AM EDT

Dude,

Can I ever make a post without you directly attacking me?

Your worse then novice. I just wait for your attacks each time I post. What was it this time that got you all riled up? The fact he called me a pedophile twice?

The other post in question was not a direct accusation like you like to twist the wordsl. I said it looked suspicious and was cleared up.

But if you want to defend TH, please do. It is quite obvious your feelings about me, no need to drive home the point in every post, including one such as this troll is making.

QBRanger June 6 2007 12:42 AM EDT

And if you really truly thing that there are similarities in raising the question of a multi vs calling someone a child molester, you really need a grip on life.

noneedforthese June 6 2007 12:53 AM EDT

[insert generic but slanderous comment][insert player's name]

Now that's off my chest,

A gold fish swims in to a wall.
"Damn"


AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 6 2007 12:58 AM EDT

Worse than me...I take offense at the idea someone could be worse than me!

Mikel June 6 2007 1:48 AM EDT

If you can't be the number 1 player, make sure you are the number 1 hater of the number 1 player.

You are still number 1 in my eyes knovice, but you better turn it up a notch or two or you will get replaced.

And people say that competition is lacking in this game. There is plenty of competition, you just need to know where it is at.

QBRanger June 6 2007 2:16 AM EDT

Mikel,

It seems Dudemus has taken the top spot from novice, does novice have what it takes to take back the top spot :)

SBW June 6 2007 2:31 AM EDT

i do! ranger. you're WRONG.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 6 2007 2:59 AM EDT

:( Seems I need to catch up on my American shows. I saw "To Catch a Predator" and thought it was a comment equating Ranger to Arnie!

"GET TO DE CHOPPA!"

AdminJonathan June 6 2007 9:51 AM EDT

As others have said, personal attacks are not welcome here.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 6 2007 9:53 AM EDT

ah, it is clear to me now. so if th would've said in chat, "how do we know ranger isn't a pedophile?" that would not be a direct accusation and would be okay?

coolness!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 6 2007 10:17 AM EDT

As fun as it is to point out that Ranger certainly brought out his own personal brand of welcome wagon when TH roared into town, calling someone a multi isn't the same thing as calling them a ped. Ranger may be a lot of things, but resorting to baseless accusations of that ugly a nature is another kind of attack all together.

(and just to meet my quota)
Ranger multied as TH and called himself a ped just to spend a little more time in the spotlight...*bows*

QBRanger June 6 2007 12:15 PM EDT

Dudemus,

If you still cannot understand the difference in even accusing someone of pedophelia vs multing, then your soul needs a quick cleansing.

You are the king, all hail the king!!!

Novice, your top spot is forever lost.

TheHatchetman June 6 2007 1:17 PM EDT

Here's a great idea, let the past, be in the past... I don't agree with what happened in that thread, but I've seen it three times now, and I wasn't even around when it was created... I've had my arguments with Ranger, but they were dropped at the end of every thread and/or every string of CMs back and forth. The past is the past, you'll never get as far as you could if you're constantly looking back... Furthermore, there is *no*comparrison* between multi-ing, and child molestation. To even insinuate such is sick!

Dudemus, I have much respect for you, as you've no objections to speaking up when you feel something is wrong. And because of such, I feel I owe you the same courtesy.

Ranger, I love to argue, and you make a prime opponent many times, but in this situation, you are correct.

Godpanda June 6 2007 1:21 PM EDT

This thread went on far too long. And then it went on -way- too long after Jon posted. That should have, effectively, ended this thread.

You were killed. Lately in chat people have been making alot of rape/pedophilia jokes, and they have been frowned on (and players been kicked for them) consistently. This post was a waste, when the answer was so simple. You were wrong, and were dealt with by an op. It wasn't personal, it's just how it is.

The ops in this game do the best they can. If you have an issue with one, you ask them in PM or you CM them.


You know what really, really annoys me about this whole thread? First, the cause. TH doesn't debate the fact he should have kicked. He merely wanted to get Ranger's use of an iffy word called to attention and in my opinion that's just bad form. And the second thing that gets me is how many of you jumped on the bandwagon, attacking Ranger on a thread that had -nothing- to do with you, where he -was- in the right. I'm all for voicing your opinion, but this was ridiculous. The back and forth wasn't all one way, of course, but the fact is that none of you had any right to attack Ranger this time. You just wanted to because that's just how it goes on the forums nowadays.

Basically, if you feel you need to attack someone, at least be in the right. Or -believe- you're in the right. Because, if you go through this thread, there is no reason for you to post. None. And I'm only posting because this annoyed me so much.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] June 6 2007 1:26 PM EDT

OK I have to chime in my with my opinion, why you ask, because the whole thing is utter nonsense.

First off its just a kick, no big deal.

Secondly, in my opinion it was totally unjustified.

First off, there is a difference, and its not only connotative, its denotative between a joke and an accusation. Allow me to illistrate.

If I go to the police and say, this guys is trolling the net for little boys, this is an accusation.

If I go to CB admin Bart and say, this guy is using CB to troll for little boys, this is an accusation.

If someone says, see you later or on to Catch a Predator, this is a joke.

Look at the context of the conversation. He is not making an accusation, he is making a joke about Ranger's multiple lives. And yes, you are welcome to say its a bad joke, a horrible joke or EVEN an un-PG joke if you REALLY have to, but, it is NOT an accusation. Bad comedy is bad comedy, not some declaration of fact. If I tell a blonde joke, or wait, thinking this be construed as a PG violation, I change it to an idiot joke. And I make a total fool out of the idiot in the joke. No someone comes on and say, hey wait, I am an idiot, this is slanderous, accusational, and deserving of punishment, then I should be punished?

Utter ridiculous nonsense. TH if you cant have a thicker skin about being kicked, then dont start teasing an admin. And Ranger if you cannot use your words, wit, and intelligence to defend yourself in chat, instead of kicking someone, maybe you should reconsider joining chat as well.

Unbelievable

QBRanger June 6 2007 1:32 PM EDT

Seft,

As much as I like ya, your completely wrong.

This was not TH's first time (read above posts), and it was plainly obvious his insinuation by his remark. This is a PG game and even references to such deviant activity is not appropriate. In a PG game, even jokes about certain things are not allowed. Of all people I respect your opinion near the top of the list, but in this case your 100% off base.

To use words to "defend" myself in chat would be to verify this persons existence which I really do not want to do. To try to reason with an unreasonable person in chat or even PM would be a futile attempt and a waste of time. Especially after he was already kicked and warned by admins about this exact behavior before.

Godpanda June 6 2007 1:33 PM EDT

Sefton, I respect your opinion, but in this case I think you're wrong.

If I go HAHA at the end of every statement, will the ops not be allowed to kick me because I -may- be joking. There are cruel jokes out there. And, I'm sorry, but I've never found pedo, or rape jokes funny. At all. The concept is sick, and not something to be joked about. I've been kicked from chat for offending ops before, and this time he was killed for doing it repeatedly, and after being warned.

Miandrital June 6 2007 1:38 PM EDT

Look at the context of the conversation. He is not making an accusation, he is making a joke about Ranger's multiple lives.
A joke isn't funny more than once. As ranger said (and TH confirmed) this is the second time it has happened.

And yes, you are welcome to say its a bad joke, a horrible joke or EVEN an un-PG joke if you REALLY have to, but, it is NOT an accusation. Bad comedy is bad comedy, not some declaration of fact. If I tell a blonde joke, or wait, thinking this be construed as a PG violation, I change it to an idiot joke. And I make a total fool out of the idiot in the joke.
It is still a personal attack on ranger, so it doesn't matter if it is an accusation or not. If everybody in chat started to make demeaning jokes about other people, CB would not be a fun place to chat anymore. This is one of the situations where you need to nip things at the bud.

No someone comes on and say, hey wait, I am an idiot, this is slanderous, accusational, and deserving of punishment, then I should be punished?
He singled out Ranger not once, but *twice* with the same remark. That is not someone taking a joke out of context.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] June 6 2007 1:49 PM EDT

Well this just amazes me. Flabberghasted. Did you know some kid in like Wisconsin was fired yesterday, he was at work and his friend of over 7 years walked into their shared work place in her prom dress, so the friend wolf whistled. He was fired 20 mins later, with no complaint issued by the "offended" party, for sexual harassment. This is your world, enjoy!

So fine then, obviously the majority feels differently, but you know what, I for one will not walk around chat on eggshells waiting for someone to misinterpret me, I simple wont walk around.

QBRanger June 6 2007 1:53 PM EDT

Sefton,

The pendulum has certainly shifted in the other direction with respect to sexual harassment. As a physician I have to take courses on it to keep my license. 5 years ago who would have thought.

However, pedophilia has never been allowed. You are comparing apples to nuclear weapons.

Again, some things are forbidden to bring up in chat, especially in a PG game. If TH wants to insult me in chat, let him use his intelligence (or lack thereof) to try to in a PG type of way.

Again, for me to dignify his post with a discussion would be to justify it. Which I am sure nobody wishes to do. And as you can see, most people want it that way.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] June 6 2007 1:53 PM EDT

and JUST to clarify, ALL of this text prior to TH's first appearance is NOT a personal attack on Ranger:

<(Shinobu)-Mos_^^> everyone ever think that Ranger and TH is Jon's Multies?
<lostling> yep
<lostling> definitely
<{sky tale}> ranger i always knew was jon's multi
<{sky tale}> always
has joined the room.
<(CB1)logan666> I've always thought all the top players were Jon's multis
<Ranger> i already have the love of my life at home, my wife
<Juggernaut> Jon is totally my multi.
<MegaSlayer09> ya guess well have to ban jon

Or Jon for that matter, and we know it is not.....how?

QBRanger June 6 2007 1:57 PM EDT

Yes Seft we all see that part of the conversation. And as you can see, I did not kick/kill anyone prior to what happened next.

But if you go further you can see where the offending part comes into play, directed completely at me.

Remember this was not this persons first time doing it, AND he was warned by at least 2 admins about it in the past.

QBSefton [Black Cheetah Bazaar] June 6 2007 2:03 PM EDT

So Ranger, then you should have said,

I kicked (or killed you) for making a non-PG joke, and I would have said nothing about it. This was not the reason you supplied earlier.

You can say, I would kick anyone making a Pedophile joke, because its not PG, you should not say, "I did what I did due to the fact that is the 2nd time you called or intimated that I was a pedophile." which implies you would not have kicked without the noted criteria, meaning that it was about you, or that it was done before.

QBBarzooMonkey June 6 2007 2:31 PM EDT

I have to agree with Ranger as well. In a face to face situation, if someone started to make pedophile jokes about me, I'd ask them to stop, letting them know that it's offensive and not funny. If they persisted, I'd probably actually knock them out, as it's that offensive a subject to me.

Some subjects cross the line between bad humor and real offensiveness. A wolf whistle at a friend is bad humor, and in the grand scheme of things doesn't really hurt anyone.

A "joke" as tasteless as this one can escalate into ruined lives if it goes too far. If I were the target in this case, I would have started vehemently petitioning an op for a kill, since I can't knock somebody out in virtual www land, and can't kill a chatter myself. Ranger just happened to be both the target and the op...
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