# question for math freaks :) (in General)

## lostlingJune 11 2007 12:35 PM EDT

well archery question actually :)
quote
"All bows will fire in all three ranged rounds. However, without Archery trained, bows receive a significant penalty to their base chance to hit (CTH) -- 80% penalty, or a total of 20% CTH. This CTH is where you start before calculating effects from dexterity or plus to hit (PTH). With an Archery trained up to an effect of 1.00, you can minimize this penalty and maximize your base CTH"

as everyone knows... max dx gap = 166%CTH .... does that mean if i didnt have archery i would need to go from 20% to 166% instead of 100% to 166%?

## th00pJune 11 2007 1:44 PM EDT

You're getting CTH and PTH confused. I think. I don't know any better than you do, probably.

CTH = chance to hit
PTH = percentage to hit

both are expressed as a percentage... (and afaik they are the same in cb)

## MiandritalJune 11 2007 2:22 PM EDT

20% to 166% instead of 100% to 166%

Yup, you would need a massive pth or dex to get to 166 w/o archery

## lostlingJune 12 2007 12:54 AM EDT

considering what mid said... could it mean that the max dx gap is accually 66% CTH instead of 166% CTH with the 100% CTH coming from archery which means that the max CTH you can get without archery is 86% ?

## muon[The Winds Of Fate]June 12 2007 2:33 AM EDT

I thought PTH was "plus to hit" and was the extra chance to hit granted by "+" on weapons?

And thus the CTH and PTH is not the same, but can be separated by a gap between 0 and 166 (the percentage chance to hit given by the dex gap)?

Of course, I don't really know much about tanks, so I'm probably wrong, but that was how I understood things...

Losting: Erm. I don't really understand your question. Remember that the CTH given by + is on top of the dex gap; without archery your base CTH will be 20% * (Dex Gap CTH), and with it it will be 100% * (Dex Gap CTH); then you add the PTH from your weapon to get your total CTH.

I think. As I said, I really don't know how any of this works, but that was my interpretation of the data...

Cheers,
muon.

## muon[The Winds Of Fate]June 12 2007 2:36 AM EDT

Oh, wait...

"..before calculating effects from dexterity..."

Well, I have no idea. Do bows automatically "gain" an extra 20% CTH for nothing, compared to ability to strike with a melee weapon (even without archery trained) and automatically gain 100% (1 strike) with archery trained? Ugh.

## TalionJune 12 2007 1:14 PM EDT

I think all melee weapon have a 100% CTH...

It's the PTH that varies when you use single-handed vs. double-handed.

So the 20% CTH on bows is not a good thing. It is in fact a very bad thing.

## FlameyJune 13 2007 3:47 AM EDT

"It's the PTH that varies when you use single-handed vs. double-handed. "

No, the CTH varies, meaning 1-handed have a higher CTH (I forgot the percentage) than 2-handed weapons.
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