poll on toa (in General)

considering evasion was just nerfed :)
please just a yes or a no :)

Yes.

Yes!

The PTH gained from the ToA are way to high.

making it's PTH stacking match the minus to hit of the RoBF and dbs

i would count that as a yes :) and so we have
yes = 4 fanta,aol,novice,lostling
no = 0

Yes, I agree with what Novice said.

no, evasion is still a problem for archers with toa. And archers already got nerfed cuz archery just got VERY expensive to train, so there you got your minus to PTH thru archery.

good point WE...however I still think the ToA should stack the same way as RoBF and DB.

i would count that as a yes :) and so we have
yes = 5 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn
no = 1 nicole

No :)

Yes. A major issue... just look at the number of NUB (or multi... your choice ;-] ) archers. It has to mean something.

No

yes = 6 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,
no = 3 nicole,mikel,talion

yes

no

All the ToA users say no, of course :P

yes = 7 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting
no = 4 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny

Fanta,
all of the non-TOA Users say yes. Is there a point to this?

No,
It is fine as it is.

The problem to be addressed is the high damage missiles do.

yes = 7 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting
no = 5 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger

No, and as Ranger said... its the huge damage... not the pth. And what would you do to us Ax/Exbow users out there if you nerf the Pth on a ToA?

No :) It's fine how it is.

We all have the choice to use ToA? If it was THAT powerful, you would all be using it.

I'm going to have to go with no, also.

"all of the non-TOA Users say yes"

No they don't.

Yes.

Having 200 PTH from an item that doesn't cost anything is plain silly, you don't even need PTH on your weapon when you're higher up.

i own toa, i saw no.

no I had to add other words because just "no" was taken

No, and I won't even be using my ToA on my NCB :D

I'd like a stacking like RoBF + DBs. So...yes I think it has to change. Some weapons touch me and don't make sense. I mean, check my Evasion....+50 weapons hit me sometimes.

yes = 9 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting,flamey,Monsieur Ash
no = 11 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger,draco,champ,Valaraukar,drudge,soxjr,horseguy001

draco... how would reducing/modifying the PTH on the TOA affect xbows users more then elb users?
champ... i was using it until i wanted to try ROBF out yep

draco... how would reducing/modifying the PTH on the TOA affect xbows users more then elb users?

I think he is saying axbow/exbow users are already at a disadvantage and taking all that PTH away would basically bury them under 10ft. of soil.

To me it makes sense logically to have ToA/Weapon PTH stack like Evasion/DB's/RBF.

yes = 10 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting,flamey,Monsieur Ash,Sacredpeanut no = 12 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger,draco,champ,Valaraukar,drudge,soxjr,horseguy001, o rly o rly... refer to ranger's answer (other then the PTH part)

Like I have said before... its not the Toa thats doing it... its the Elbs out there. Would you see any hits from an elb thats PTH is under your Evasion... answer is no. Especially with the way ranged cuts into the CTH on Ranged weapons. So spend a little experience and train a decent sized Evasion...

Evasion: 2,720,000/1,600,000 (171) <--- big enuff evasion for you?

Ranged Hits / Shots / Avg Damage 0 / 4 / 0 In ranged with a +101 Axbow and a Huge 3 mil level ToA.... now tell me that the ToA still needs to be changed.

tell me its fair that a +94 mageseeker can hit me in the last ranged round -.-
2.5mill x 1.33 = 3,325,000 <--- thats my defensive dex... and
lets just say the effective level is 170 so...
170 - 94 = 76<---- that much PTH from a TOA?
considering he has 700k DX ?

personally i think making TOA PTH stack the way ROBF and DBs stack with evasion is reasonable

That sounds more like the CTH for a Mageseeker is a bit to high in ranged imho.
My Tat is way bigger than his and my PTH on my Axbow is higher than his as well but I still don't hit... So why nuke a TOA when it is more likely the Mageseeker that needs fixed.

hmm maybe its a msb bug... ne way would not it make sense that TOA's PTH stacks like the way DBs stack with evasion? jon could up the PTH if it stacks that way ( allowing people with low budget like johnny more of a chance?)

What size arrows is he using?

I am certain they are not base. Were you the one attacking him? If so, perhaps he is using that all too powerful entity know as "defensive ammo".

Remember a +50 set of arrows will give +150 PTH.

somehow doubt he has defensive ammo with like 4k ammo lol but yea its ekeke

He's got 2.7M+ levels into Evasion - don't you think that merits not being hit in ranged rounds? He already probably gave up against every decent mage team out there.

Yes,I myself am considering a retrain since the Evasion nerf.Not much point in all that experience there doing nothing.

Perhaps due to the nature of real life evasion the skill could help to reduce physical damage instead of being a pure hit or miss option? i.e. might not make a blow miss entirely but could avoid a lethal blow.

use an AOF zaekyr you will see huge improvements

yes = 11 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting,flamey,Monsieur Ash,Sacredpeanut,Zaekyr

no = 12 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger,draco,champ,Valaraukar,drudge,soxjr,horseguy001, o rly

zzzz can someone please update the list for me? i have like no idea how to use html lol