poll on toa (in General)
lostling
September 23 2007 12:07 PM EDT
considering evasion was just nerfed :)
please just a yes or a no :)
BluBBen
September 23 2007 12:14 PM EDT
Yes!
The PTH gained from the ToA are way to high.
making it's PTH stacking match the minus to hit of the RoBF and dbs
lostling
September 23 2007 12:20 PM EDT
i would count that as a yes :) and so we have
yes = 4 fanta,aol,novice,lostling
no = 0
Karn
September 23 2007 12:22 PM EDT
Yes, I agree with what Novice said.
no, evasion is still a problem for archers with toa. And archers already got nerfed cuz archery just got VERY expensive to train, so there you got your minus to PTH thru archery.
good point WE...however I still think the ToA should stack the same way as RoBF and DB.
lostling
September 23 2007 12:40 PM EDT
i would count that as a yes :) and so we have
yes = 5 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn
no = 1 nicole
Mikel
[Bring it]
September 23 2007 1:17 PM EDT
No :)
Dark Dreky
September 23 2007 1:20 PM EDT
Yes. A major issue... just look at the number of NUB (or multi... your choice ;-] ) archers. It has to mean something.
Talion
September 23 2007 1:21 PM EDT
No
lostling
September 23 2007 2:03 PM EDT
yes = 6 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,
no = 3 nicole,mikel,talion
cookie dough
September 23 2007 2:06 PM EDT
yes
Ragatag
September 23 2007 2:12 PM EDT
no
All the ToA users say no, of course :P
lostling
September 23 2007 2:25 PM EDT
yes = 7 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting
no = 4 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny
Mikel
[Bring it]
September 23 2007 2:39 PM EDT
Fanta,
all of the non-TOA Users say yes. Is there a point to this?
QBRanger
September 23 2007 2:54 PM EDT
No,
It is fine as it is.
The problem to be addressed is the high damage missiles do.
lostling
September 23 2007 2:59 PM EDT
yes = 7 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting
no = 5 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger
No, and as Ranger said... its the huge damage... not the pth. And what would you do to us Ax/Exbow users out there if you nerf the Pth on a ToA?
48Zach
September 23 2007 5:07 PM EDT
No :) It's fine how it is.
We all have the choice to use ToA? If it was THAT powerful, you would all be using it.
I'm going to have to go with no, also.
"all of the non-TOA Users say yes"
No they don't.
Flamey
September 23 2007 6:01 PM EDT
Yes.
Having 200 PTH from an item that doesn't cost anything is plain silly, you don't even need PTH on your weapon when you're higher up.
drudge
September 23 2007 7:16 PM EDT
i own toa, i saw no.
Soxjr
September 23 2007 7:32 PM EDT
no I had to add other words because just "no" was taken
No, and I won't even be using my ToA on my NCB :D
I'd like a stacking like RoBF + DBs. So...yes I think it has to change. Some weapons touch me and don't make sense. I mean, check my Evasion....+50 weapons hit me sometimes.
lostling
September 23 2007 8:53 PM EDT
yes = 9 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting,flamey,Monsieur Ash
no = 11 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger,draco,champ,Valaraukar,drudge,soxjr,horseguy001
draco... how would reducing/modifying the PTH on the TOA affect xbows users more then elb users?
champ... i was using it until i wanted to try ROBF out yep
8DEOTWP
September 23 2007 8:55 PM EDT
draco... how would reducing/modifying the PTH on the TOA affect xbows users more then elb users?
I think he is saying axbow/exbow users are already at a disadvantage and taking all that PTH away would basically bury them under 10ft. of soil.
Sacredpeanut
September 23 2007 8:55 PM EDT
To me it makes sense logically to have ToA/Weapon PTH stack like Evasion/DB's/RBF.
lostling
September 23 2007 9:00 PM EDT
yes = 10 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting,flamey,Monsieur Ash,Sacredpeanut
no = 12 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger,draco,champ,Valaraukar,drudge,soxjr,horseguy001, o rly
o rly... refer to ranger's answer (other then the PTH part)
Like I have said before... its not the Toa thats doing it... its the Elbs out there. Would you see any hits from an elb thats PTH is under your Evasion... answer is no. Especially with the way ranged cuts into the CTH on Ranged weapons. So spend a little experience and train a decent sized Evasion...
lostling
September 23 2007 9:48 PM EDT
Evasion: 2,720,000/1,600,000 (171) <--- big enuff evasion for you?
Ranged Hits / Shots / Avg Damage 0 / 4 / 0 In ranged with a +101 Axbow and a Huge 3 mil level ToA.... now tell me that the ToA still needs to be changed.
lostling
September 23 2007 9:56 PM EDT
tell me its fair that a +94 mageseeker can hit me in the last ranged round -.-
2.5mill x 1.33 = 3,325,000 <--- thats my defensive dex... and
lets just say the effective level is 170 so...
170 - 94 = 76<---- that much PTH from a TOA?
considering he has 700k DX ?
personally i think making TOA PTH stack the way ROBF and DBs stack with evasion is reasonable
That sounds more like the CTH for a Mageseeker is a bit to high in ranged imho.
My Tat is way bigger than his and my PTH on my Axbow is higher than his as well but I still don't hit... So why nuke a TOA when it is more likely the Mageseeker that needs fixed.
lostling
September 23 2007 10:04 PM EDT
hmm maybe its a msb bug... ne way would not it make sense that TOA's PTH stacks like the way DBs stack with evasion? jon could up the PTH if it stacks that way ( allowing people with low budget like johnny more of a chance?)
QBRanger
September 23 2007 10:04 PM EDT
What size arrows is he using?
I am certain they are not base. Were you the one attacking him? If so, perhaps he is using that all too powerful entity know as "defensive ammo".
Remember a +50 set of arrows will give +150 PTH.
lostling
September 23 2007 10:07 PM EDT
somehow doubt he has defensive ammo with like 4k ammo lol but yea its ekeke
He's got 2.7M+ levels into Evasion - don't you think that merits not being hit in ranged rounds? He already probably gave up against every decent mage team out there.
Zaekyr
September 23 2007 10:38 PM EDT
Yes,I myself am considering a retrain since the Evasion nerf.Not much point in all that experience there doing nothing.
Perhaps due to the nature of real life evasion the skill could help to reduce physical damage instead of being a pure hit or miss option? i.e. might not make a blow miss entirely but could avoid a lethal blow.
lostling
September 23 2007 11:09 PM EDT
use an AOF zaekyr you will see huge improvements
lostling
September 23 2007 11:11 PM EDT
yes = 11 fanta,aol,novice,lostling,karn,Dark Dreky,cake frosting,flamey,Monsieur Ash,Sacredpeanut,Zaekyr
no = 12 nicole,mikel,talion,[28]-Fluffy Bunny,ranger,draco,champ,Valaraukar,drudge,soxjr,horseguy001, o rly
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