HoC base AC adjusted (in Changelog)

From 5 to -5.

Upgrade pricing also went up a bit.

ew

First item with negative AC :-P

And oh, good change by the way.

So...will you actually take MORE damage while wearing an HoC, or will this change only make it harder to actually get AC from the Helm?

I like the change, it nerfes the HoC a bit (not too much, but at least a bit). I think it's good :) But what if one has nothing but the HoC equipped.. he will have overall AC of -5, what effect would that have?

It adds into your total AC. So if you had a base EH [22] and a base HoC [-5] your effective AC would be 17.

Effective AC can't go below 0 right now, it makes my head hurt. :)

lol personally i dont see any difference lol people use HOC for the effect not for the AC lol

Still, -5 AC is gonna show at higher levels of protection.

Strange change for sure :P

So it will show 0 if you just equip a HoC and nothing else?

ops, just saw I've got a AC of -5 for my minion. It looks funny ;)

Can it also nerf Skills please?

So what happens if it is named?

More minus to the AC?

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So the -5 still shows up as 5 then?

Lol, ranger.. it will probably give -4 only (-5 -4%(which is 0,2) - bonuses is always rounded up (from named items at least) so i think it would be -4 ac instead of the -5, or at least thats my guess.. It's gonna be mighty expensive to get more than 1 + to ac from a naming on a HoC now :P

What do you mean Lord Bob.. nerf skills? what skill gives you AC?

"What do you mean Lord Bob.. nerf skills? what skill gives you AC?"

What are you talking about? I asked if it could nerf skills -in addition- to AC, not as a result. There are lots of items that penalize DX and skills.

I guess I should have said "reduce" and not "nerf."

Either way, I was joking. I don't expect Jon to even consider such an idea.

The base AC is still 0. -5 AC is an effect of the HoC, so naming won't do anything except multiply the actual upgraded +. Then -5 will apply.

Oh wait that statement is completely off... scratch that

So magical damage is unaffected save the upgrade pricing?

> it will probably give -4 only (-5 -4%(which is 0,2) - bonuses is always rounded up (from named items at least) so i think it would be -4 ac instead of the -5

correct

> So magical damage is unaffected save the upgrade pricing?

correct

HoC Should have a REAL trade-off... something like -20 AC or -50. That way you'd have to pay a serious price for using it...

-5 will deter no one... I'll gladly use 2 of them with my strat and I don't care at all that they'll have a -5 attached.

Yay. My familiar won't lose AC ^.^ OWNED!

This is one item I would never name, the price isn't worth the +1 to it.
You'd be silly to upgrade it enough to make it a +2 mod.

so how did the re-release of the HoC turn into a nerf contest?

I agree with GW.

The -10 to the AC is what 2% more damage?

Not nearly enough to stop people from wanting to use one.

Lol. The loss of AC isn't a bad thing. It really isn't. But a base protection makes up for it and then some. So... Eh. *goes to add 5 AC to his HoC*

Isn't that the purpose for this, not to make people not want to use it, but give a reason for it to get upgraded?

10 AC lost is hardly enough, imo, to make somebody upgrade it. Half the minions with a HoC already have their own defenses, be it walls, evasion, AoI, EC, AMF, ToE, PL, etc. that they don't really need it.

And, besides, it's only against physical damage, mostly. The small reduction that it has against magic is relatively unchanged.

If Jon wanted everybody to upgrade their HoC instead of using the ultra-efficient base ones, he would change the effect so that it was based on upgrades. Something like 7.5% chance to fire before normal (non-HoC) combat starts for each upgrade, up to 100%.

Ok so then is the change an attempt to nerf ranged archers that have been complained about, since the archery nerf seemed trivial by everyone's responses? Or is it based on all ranged? It just seems like mages are going to get another boot up their butt when all is said and done with this nerf. I'm confused! not dazed yet....

"Something like 7.5% chance to fire before normal (non-HoC) combat starts for each upgrade, up to 100%."

I suggested this earlier on the General forum, except with a 5% chance to fire per +.

Doesn't really seem like a nerf to me.

Most Mage items already have zero AC (AG, DB) so the -5 won't really be noticeable.

And Archers aren't known for tiier Wall like 400 AC. ;)

I was thinking more about the mages that do try to use AC, with MCM's or EBs... which any AC change is significant for them, no?

how about making that u have to make it a plus 10 before the extra round of ranged combat will kick in at least people will need to upgrade it a little bit to get the effect

My HoC was a +3 ... Now its a +2.. What happened?

This has nothing to do with it but.. My named Alatar Gloves just got an extra 5 days of naming.. What is going on?

So if you use this HoC with the negative AC... Hmm....

Did anyone know that you also get a negative to your PR as well? Hope no one upped their HoC's yet. Sounds more like a buff to me at the moment.

dang making this a supporter item really messed me up. I just bought 2 HoC close to base for 5.5 mill each, and now I could probably get a good 10 or so HoC for the total I paid for 2. DANG DANG DANG.

"dang making this a supporter item really messed me up. I just bought 2 HoC close to base for 5.5 mill each, and now I could probably get a good 10 or so HoC for the total I paid for 2. DANG DANG DANG."

I saw this coming a mile away.

*points at the posts made in general before the change was announced*

negative base AC will affect physical damage sustained only which results in a slight boost for mages, not another boot up the butt.

Sweet. I am glad i did not pay the 5.5mil price tag for it.

Jon, why are there a -2% to DD from the HoC?

Because it gives Archers an unfair advantage!!!!1!one!!!eleven!!!1!

Dos a HoC +5 give zero PR?

It should give PR regardless of the AC. Most mage gear adds PR without giving any AC.

it does give 0 PR, that just happens to be how big mine is :P

scratch that, he fixed it without saying anything