Evasion ranged fix (in Changelog)

AdminJonathan September 30 2007 9:18 AM EDT

Fixed the defensive dx bonus to evasion in ranged to use the new bonus (it was using a higher bonus).

lostling September 30 2007 9:18 AM EDT

... wth now i get hit in the 1st round?

QBRanger September 30 2007 9:20 AM EDT

Thanks Jon,

Now I do hit Conundrum in the first round, 2x in the second round.

Glad to see you figured the problem out.

Lumpy Koala September 30 2007 9:24 AM EDT

wow.. luckily my UC guy trains more dex than most tanks :P So doesn't really affect myself, but this sure push the threat of archery to a higher level

QBRanger September 30 2007 9:41 AM EDT

Something still is wrong.

I hit Bamf with a (198) evasion in all missile rounds.

I should not.

My pluses are only 167 + 6 (naming) + 18 (named arrows) = 191. 90% of that due to me using a MsB is 172.

His evasion overcomes that +.

I should not hit until my EC nerfs his evasion.

His defensive dex is: Evasion: 3,830,387/2,364,437 (198)


2,364,437 x 2.33 = 5,509,139, 198 x 2.33 = 432
2,364,437 x2 = 4,728,974, 198 x 2 = 396
2,364,437 x 1.66 = 3,924,966, 198 x 1.66 = 329
2,364,437 x 1.33 = 3,144,702, 198 x 1.33 = 234

My EC is 3.3M

Therefore I should not hit Bamf till the last missile round. When I get the 150% bonus to my CTH.

Last round 150 (dex) + 172 = 322, which should give me a 92% chance to hit in the last missile round. In that round ONLY.

QBRanger September 30 2007 9:44 AM EDT

Vs Sut:


Amount of hits in missile.

No way should I have over 200% CTH vs him in the last missile round. I love it personally, but something is not calculated right.

QBJohnnywas September 30 2007 9:59 AM EDT

Hmmm. I've only got (121) evasion, and some of my opponents have some pretty big bows, but they're hitting me in ranged now twice where they missed before.

But evasion opponents on my fightlist who I could hit easily (+50 on my weapon plus whatever PTH a 1.5 mill ToA affords), I can't hit at all now.

Relic September 30 2007 10:01 AM EDT

I think you might have made Evasion completely useless now Jonathan. I am trying a new RoBF strategy and am training my Evasion quite heavily. I already have an effective level of (17). I used to make quite a few archers miss in ranged, and now I get pulverized. I am not dodging any of the 3 or 4 rounds of ranged where before I was. If this is how Evasion is supposed to work, I will most likely change my strategy to not incorporate it because I am already dumping a huge amount of exp into it.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] September 30 2007 10:04 AM EDT

Fantastic. Now I get hit by nearly every attack imaginable.

I feel I am completely wasting the huge EXP I put into Evasion now.

Flamey September 30 2007 10:04 AM EDT

Evasion is more effective later on, I'd say.

Weapons can be really big down low, wait a while, till at least (50).

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] September 30 2007 10:09 AM EDT

Getting hit by a +105 bow in ranged and melee while I have a (194) Evasion does not sound right to me...Maybe I am missing something?

Getting better higher up, I don't think so.

QBsutekh137 September 30 2007 10:12 AM EDT

This would be great -- if ranged damage were also reduced now... Almost there, Jonathan, almost there! *smile*

QBsutekh137 September 30 2007 10:13 AM EDT

Debug code? I am seeing all the stats on cth in the fight details? I love it!

AdminJonathan September 30 2007 10:15 AM EDT

<Jonathan> only until i either fix a bug or ranger is satisfied that there isn't one :)

QBsutekh137 September 30 2007 10:21 AM EDT

Well, add me to the list... Against Failure, minion Failsafe, in round 2 of ranged:

defensive dx is 7
dx-based chance to hit is 159.999999999
pth after evasion is -69.0
total chance to hit is 91

I guess I am still not getting it... Evasion still counts for SOME defensive dex, correct? I should have way more dex than Failsafe, hi EC only casts for 20.

Oops, not I am fighting to test more and I beat him, he no longer hits... Change?

AdminJonathan September 30 2007 10:21 AM EDT

so my change broke defensive dx completely, fixed now

Flamey September 30 2007 10:22 AM EDT

<Jonathan> ranger's right, i broke evasion completely

Lumpy Koala September 30 2007 10:23 AM EDT

haha, I do love the new messages though, unveils quite a lot of stuff :)

Particularly love to see the numbers below on my side of battle log haha

target dx is 1440363
dx-based chance to hit is 94.7642827578
pth after evasion is 7.8
total chance to hit is 103

QBsutekh137 September 30 2007 10:27 AM EDT

Anecdotally, we are back on track... Lega and Failure were beating me some this morning, and I saw the dex details change back when I started beating them again.

Hopefully some of the really huge bows should still be able to hit me, but I will let Ranger report on that. *smile*

QBRanger September 30 2007 10:30 AM EDT

Vs you Sut,


As I believe it should have been all along.

QBsutekh137 September 30 2007 10:31 AM EDT

Excellent! Thanks Jonathan, and thank you Ranger for all your testing!!!!

Mikel September 30 2007 11:00 AM EDT

Ok....... wth, Now I only hit Sut in Round 4.
When I used to sometimes hit him in round 1, but always by round 2.

Mikel September 30 2007 11:08 AM EDT

I see now, there was a change to the ToA

QBRanger September 30 2007 11:16 AM EDT

Forget my 941 post.

Bamf's evasion is 3.8M boosted.

Talion October 1 2007 8:49 AM EDT

I love this change!
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