Another "overpowered" item to consider... (in General)


Relic October 27 2007 5:18 PM EDT

I hear a lot of brouhaha about the RoBF being overpowered and the "only" way to counter it is to try and lessen its guaranteed damage per round in melee.

I would like to throw out an example of a current strategy that very nicely not only handles but negates my strategy completely. This is not a cry for nerfing of anything, it is merely a demonstration of how one item being overpowered is simply due to variation of strategy.

Consider if you will the character I am using for this example.

Character: pffff
Score / PR / MPR: 1,426,727 / 769,006 / 490,949
Primary Weapon: This is a SoD [5x575] (+90)

My Character: MrMunch
Score / PR / MPR: 1,466,195 / 832,658 / 576,027

Example Battle:
exacerbation missed Peanut
exacerbation's explosive shot hit Peanut [431125]
exacerbation's explosive shot hit Peanut [503802]

I love the simplicity of both strategies at this point and in no way do I think his or my strategy needs nerfing. It is simply more variation in the overall strategy that makes this game interesting to me.

My RoBF is negated completely. My current Evasion level is: 830,965/536,107 (102). Pretty impressive for his MPR and PR I must say. I don't know his NW but he must be keeping his SoD right at his WA to maximize his effectiveness.

Just food for thought more than fuel for a fire (I hope).

Iluvatar[NK] October 27 2007 5:28 PM EDT

You realize how large of a weapon that is, right?

Gigantic ToA, 120+ on weapons, huge relative dx still misses once out of three.

+120 - 92 leaves him with 28 bonus to PTH

and then he has 500k dx vs your base dx

your RoBF is able to dodge for you once. I'm not sure how "right" that is.

Iluvatar[NK] October 27 2007 5:29 PM EDT

whoop I meant 120 - 102 = +18. Still net positive bonus for his weapon PTH

QBRanger October 27 2007 5:31 PM EDT

Your evasion is too low for your MPR. It should be way higher. Give it time, pump up the evasion and you will see almost anyone your MPR or below whiff on your minion.

You should have your AOF as high as possible and your elven gear also.

QBRanger October 27 2007 5:33 PM EDT

Sry, forgot it was Freed's character:

We all forgetting about these: 9,048 Firey Bang bangs [11x30] (+30) worth $3,705,970 owned by Freed (pffff)

That alone is +90 PTH. If he hits you 1 time during each missile round, chalk it up to Freed's super ammo.

Normal characters will miss you completely.

And we all know how I feel about upgradeable ammo, it is one of the worst features of CB. A cheap (well not in Freed's case) way to get PTH. A very poor thing.

Lumpy Koala October 27 2007 5:38 PM EDT

In the end I don't see the point of this post :) WA is one thing, but after spending millions into a weap, the dude deserve some respect on his "investment".... your strat still rules 100% of all non-USD boosted weap within +/- your MPR range

Relic October 27 2007 5:48 PM EDT

"your RoBF is able to dodge for you once. I'm not sure how "right" that is. "

My trained Evasion is doing most (if not all) of the dodging, the Evasion bonus from the RoBF is not that high.

Iluvatar[NK] October 27 2007 5:54 PM EDT

I don't see how you think your evasion is doing dodging.

Your evasion has an effect of 102.

His weapons alone have an effect of 120.

You're not cutting from his dexterity PTH at all with your eva, and as far as I know 500k dex characters should always hit 20 dex characters.

Adminedyit October 27 2007 6:01 PM EDT

evasion gets a bonus during ranged and grants defensive DX....

Iluvatar[NK] October 27 2007 6:10 PM EDT

I was under the assumption that evasion defensive dexterity only applies if your evasion level is significant enough to mitigate the enemy's PTH.

Eva's much stronger than I expected then :P

I'm still not sure that level eva should be able to overcome 500k dex and 18 PTH though. I would attribute a good bit of it to the RoBF's inherent evasion effect (which is what? 1/3 of NW applied to DB curve?)

I think Freed's character is a perfectly legitimate build and he definitely put a lot of money into it.

Eva RoBF is a thoughtful, simple build. My main contention against it is that it doesn't have real "cost" - you don't put money into your RoBF. It is combination of defense against weapons, defense against spells, and offense against everything.

Single minion tanks do not need nerfing. In very few cases have they ever needed nerfing. RoBF does not need "nerfing" per se, but it definitely requires a readjustment. Currently its possible usage is too universal - something I don't think any tattoo should do.

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] October 27 2007 7:25 PM EDT

From what I've seen, the RoBFs evasion is negligible... and evasion grants defensive DX equivalent to its level, so Freed doesn't have a DX advantage over him. He only got hit because of Freed's massive ammo.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] October 28 2007 7:49 AM EDT

Could i add that your RoBF is small considering the damage he is doing?
And could i add that the SoD has the best CTH out there beside the ELB with archery in ranged?
And could i add that your RoBF stops damage up to 300k (I know my MM mage does didly versus your RoBF in ranged, which is very stupid considering your RoBF is half my tattoo and your mpr is half mine and my MM is 1.1mil and growing).
So no SoDs rule up your evasion and see him miss all the time.

Relic October 28 2007 10:28 AM EDT

Your DD is seriously diluted Henk. My AMF alone is 660K, so yes the RoBF is blocking some of your DD damage, but my AMF is negating a ton of it also.
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