NE or Indy? (in Off-topic)

QBRanger October 30 2007 6:04 PM EDT

As much as I hate to say it, Brady is the best QB I have ever seen. Now that he has great receivers, there is no stopping him.

The Dolphins of '72 may not uncork their champagne this year. Thank heaven, as I am sick of all the press it gets each year after the last undefeated team loses.

Adminedyit [Superheros] October 30 2007 6:09 PM EDT

Indy i hope and pray! I have never liked NE and never will. And as for the best QB, no doubt he is great, but it's hard to say his name with Montana, Young, Marino, Favre.

48Zach October 30 2007 6:09 PM EDT

New England.. They have shown more on the field than Indy has, even though most like to think Peyton Manning can throw so many TD passes that there should be no stopping him.

Now that Tom Brady has Reggie Bush with him, his numbers have gone up HUGE! He is on pace for 61 TD passes in a season this year and the current record is held by Peyton Manning with 49 which was set a few years back.. I don't doubt at all that Tom Brady and the Pats will not defeat Indy..

48Zach October 30 2007 6:10 PM EDT

Don't forget John Elway, edy... Won 2 superbowls with the Broncos.. One of those was against Favre.

QBRanger October 30 2007 6:10 PM EDT

Tom Brady has Reggie Bush?

I think you meant Randy Moss.

48Zach October 30 2007 6:14 PM EDT

Yeah.. Sorry -- Was just reading about him, so name his name slipped into my typing instead of Moss..

QBRanger October 30 2007 6:14 PM EDT


Let us review.

Elway won his superbowls due to a running game. In the 2 superbowls, he put up rather average numbers.

Montana won 3 or 4 superbowls with the greatest receiver of all time. Brady had rejects and castoffs for his 3 victories.

Young? Only won 1 superbowl and had Jerry Rice.

Marino? Guy could not win, much less get to the big one after his first or second season. Had great receivers, but no running game or defense though.

Farve? He is the closest, but still had a great defense and good receivers. Well above the quality of Brady.

The number Brady is putting up are incredible. The only negative about them are the fact 1/2 of his games were against the 4 worst defenses. However, any defense that plays the Pats will be ranked lower then normal.

Just my thought. And I am a J-E-T-S fans, certainly no Brady apologist. But what I am seeing is incredible.

[RX3]Cotillion October 30 2007 6:15 PM EDT

Way to make an individual Alt + T over to to check the Saint's roster Zach. *clap clap*

I'd like to say that Indy is gonna stomp all over NE's face (as I am greatly annoyed by Tom Brady and his cocky smile), but I'm not so sure that'll be the case. I just hope the Colts whoop some buttocks.

[RX3]Cotillion October 30 2007 6:16 PM EDT

Sorry. Ctrl + T.

drudge October 30 2007 6:16 PM EDT


TheHatchetman October 30 2007 6:18 PM EDT

"As much as I hate to say it, Brady is the best QB I have ever seen."


Had to clear my throat after seeing that one...

Though, for what it's worth, I would like to see the Dolphins get the proverbial finger by having their undefeated record beaten the same year they go winless :P

/me finds it odd that the two from SoFla posting in this thread show so much disdain for the Dolphins...

Mikel October 30 2007 6:18 PM EDT

I doubt it'll even be a contest. NE will destroy everything this year.

QBRanger October 30 2007 6:24 PM EDT

This is how I see it:

Baring injury the Pats cannot be stopped. And now with Spygate, they have motivation for a undefeated season.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] October 30 2007 6:24 PM EDT

I'd really rather not let Reprobate Randy have any further glories, but balanced against the potential for fewer Peyton Manning commercials ... it's a tough call.

QBRanger October 30 2007 6:27 PM EDT

I love Peyton's commercials. I especially enjoyed his United Way skit on SNL. Probably the funniest skit they produced in a long time.

However, going 1 day without seeing 10 such commercials is a goal I can live with.

Lochnivar October 30 2007 6:28 PM EDT

Time to start taking bets:

Which team will be the last to 'lose' their perfect record this year?
St. Louis

Any predictions?

Tezmac October 30 2007 6:45 PM EDT

"Brady had rejects and castoffs for his 3 victories"

I think Deion Branch, Daniel Graham, Corey Dillon, and Troy Brown might take offense to that. I wont even go there with the defense and kicker they had...

QBRanger October 30 2007 6:48 PM EDT

Well his kickers was awesome, certainly.

The defense above average but not great.

And look at how his receivers who left, IE Branch, have done every since they left the confines of the NE system and Brady.

Tezmac October 30 2007 7:00 PM EDT

Troy Brown was a vet pro bowler when Bledsoe was the starter long before Brady was a QB.

They also had Terry Glenn at one point who was doing fine in Dallas before his knee.

Corey Dillon played for the Bengals and averaged 1200+ yards a year for 5 or 6 years with them and was a 3 time pro bowler before he came to NE.

If I recall NE defense from the SB 38 year, they had the most picks and fewest touchdowns allowed for the season and their rushing defense was top 5 as well.

Branch hasn't done well in Seattle, I'd attribute it to Barry Sanders or Dan Marino syndrome. Not enough of a supporting cast.

Tom is an excellent QB, not trying to take that away from him. But he is surrounded by talent.

IndependenZ October 30 2007 7:24 PM EDT

I really don't know anything about American football...

But how can I not be for Indy?

InebriatedArsonist October 30 2007 7:25 PM EDT

For what it's worth, I'm not sure any current NFL coach actually cares about going 16-0 enough to risk unnecessary injuries during late-season games.

If New England and Indianapolis stay on their current winning drives, both with likely take the top two divisional spots in the playoffs with significant lead over the rest of the competitive AFC teams. Once those two positions are locked up, why risk injuries? Even if Belichick has something to prove this season, I'm not sure he'd really care about a perfect season more than he cares about winning the Super Bowl again.

48xVanished48 October 30 2007 8:37 PM EDT

NE no doubt. There my favorite team. :)

QBsutekh137 October 30 2007 9:06 PM EDT

Tezmac, Ranger is clearly right, anyone can see that. Stop arguing.

QBsutekh137 October 30 2007 9:08 PM EDT

Well, Loch, NE or Indy is guaranteed to lose their perfect record very soon.

Now much of a wager, is it? *smile*

Mem October 30 2007 10:24 PM EDT

Definitely New England. And I'm convinced that was Brady in there pitching for the Red Sox.

As far as best QB ever, I have to go with Montana. If Brady hits that TD record and wins the Super Bowl I'll reconsider, but what Montana did with Kansas City speaks volumes.

BlueWolf October 30 2007 10:43 PM EDT

Indy better win, my uncle's a fan, he'll be pissed if they lose.

QBRanger October 30 2007 10:45 PM EDT

Well thank you Sut for that wonderful insight into my inner brain and thinking.

Well thought out and well placed into this thread about a football discussion.

I am sure if you had any knowledgeable input into the conversation you would have already posted.

Thanks again for the contribution!!!!

QBsutekh137 October 30 2007 11:15 PM EDT

Ranger, you are clearly right.

Why are you still discussing?

QBRanger October 30 2007 11:39 PM EDT

Just thanking you for your wonderful insight into a discussion that has even the greatest of sports reporters/minds debating.

Although I like to state my thoughts on the subject, I had no idea you were very easily swayed by my posts.

It is quite nice to see someone who clearly has an opinion on it and can clearly debate it!!!

TheHatchetman October 31 2007 12:08 AM EDT

425 and counting, 8 Pro Bowls, 208 straight games, 5202 completed passes, and the list goes on, but those are just numbers... Tell ya what, when Brady throws 19 TD passes with a broken right thumb, we can begin discussing his ascent to "the greatest".

SBW October 31 2007 1:00 AM EDT

brady all teh way. NE will own indy.

drudge October 31 2007 1:04 AM EDT

only nerds 'own' things sbw; the pats will destroy/kill/wreck/ruin/humiliate is more likely what will happen

drudge October 31 2007 1:05 AM EDT

hatchet.....30 TD passes in 8 games isnt enough for you?

TheHatchetman October 31 2007 1:10 AM EDT

no, with his supporting cast, that's to be expected. Not to take anything away from Brady, he's damn good. Just not "the best".

TheHatchetman November 4 2007 4:45 PM EST

Addai is a wildcard not many thought about in the NE/Indy game due to all the QB hype. And the way he's playing so far, Harrison may not be as big an issue as i originally thought...

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] November 4 2007 5:26 PM EST

I'm liking the Priceless Pep Talks! Down with Randy!

TheHatchetman November 4 2007 5:28 PM EST

lol, i was about to post that :P

Mikel November 4 2007 5:28 PM EST

I'd like for Randy to give some priceless pep talks :P

TheHatchetman November 4 2007 5:32 PM EST

Nice pass Brady!

TheHatchetman November 4 2007 7:00 PM EST

tick tick tick...

48Zach November 4 2007 7:23 PM EST


48xVanished48 November 4 2007 7:36 PM EST


Thraklight Resonance November 4 2007 8:31 PM EST

Just a bit of a correction on Montana. Rice didn't appear in a Superbowl with Montana until his third win. Solomon, Clark, and Copper were his main receivers in the 1982 win. Craig, Clark, Francis, and Tyler were his main receivers in the 1985 win.

GO PATS November 5 2007 2:09 AM EST

Sorry I missed this thread earlier... but yeah, I think New England will win... Brady and Moss are sick together... and alone...

(fast forward)


drudge November 5 2007 1:50 PM EST

well well well..... INDEED!

Gandalf November 5 2007 2:54 PM EST

Don't know anything about the sport, but yeah NEW ENGLAND will win :)))) England don't win in other sports so yeah hahahah lol ^^

48xVanished48 November 5 2007 3:15 PM EST

NE won about.. 20 hours ago.. :P
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