Junction and the JKF... (in General)


AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 30 2007 11:06 PM EDT

I still need to do a lot of compiling and extrapolation but this is the raw data from a 1.8 mil named JKF. I'm also going to be testing a much smaller one later on tonight.

Evil Monkey cast Protection on all friendly Minions (28) (only other DR at work was AC less than 10)
(NO bonus items) STR = 380,223
Fight 1
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [122773]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [95323]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [107529]
Fight 2
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [125728]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [86306]
Fight 3
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [134159]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [97634]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [84831]

(HoE only [A Helm of Ecthelion +12]) STR = 624,655
Fight 1
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [120319]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [115056]
Fight 2
Kano beat Evil Monkey [135690]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [164641]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [136956]
Fight 3
Kano beat Evil Monkey [171439]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [142327]

(HG only [A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets +11]) STR = 624,658
Fight 1
Kano fractured Evil Monkey [135948]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [162632]
Fight 2
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [128928]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [105918]
Fight 3
Kano fractured Evil Monkey [167232]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [167297]

(HG and HoE) STR = 678,980 (ummm this is bad)
Fight 1
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [177253]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [138999]
Fight 2
Kano fractured Evil Monkey [169374]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [137012]
Fight 3
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [175446]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [169013]

(AoF +12) STR = 380,231
Fight 1
Kano beat Evil Monkey [107471]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [122149]
Fight 2
Kano beat Evil Monkey [115646]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [120879]
Fight 3
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [102672]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [85962]

(AoF + HG + HoE) STR = 678,987
Fight 1
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [174486]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [108416]
Fight 2
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [173212]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [174234]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [170885]
Fight 3
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [129579]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [170337]

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2007 1:57 AM EDT

Max tattoo: 870 - Junction: 178 (1.00)

Target has 0 AC and no other DR in play

JKF Damage and hits for Round 1 melee (STR = 174)
Fight 1
Kano pulverized Doasun [125]
Kano pulverized Doasun [108]
Fight 2
Kano beat Doasun [137]
Kano pulverized Doasun [91]
Fight 3
Kano crunched Doasun [89]
Kano pulverized Doasun [118]

JKF + HG Damage and hits for Round 1 melee (STR = 287)
Fight 1
Kano beat Doasun [114]
Kano crushed Doasun [179]
Fight 2
Kano crunched Doasun [154]
Kano crushed Doasun [132]
Fight 3
Kano beat Doasun [152]

UC Minion Damage and hits for Round 1 melee (STR = 260 UC = 50)
Fight 1
Campy C. Slowhand pulverized Aftred [112]
Fight 2
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [142]
Campy C. Slowhand pulverized Aftred [180]
Fight 3
Melee Combat
Campy C. Slowhand pulverized Aftred [139]
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [127]

UC Minion Wearing HG (STR = 288 UC= Unarmed Combat: 170,187/50 +16)
Fight 1
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [3225]
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [2683]

TheHatchetman October 31 2007 2:03 AM EDT

If these examples hold up, and are typical (which they were from my experiences and Devanger's). I think that would be satisfactory proof that HGs do not junction the UC bonus.

Now, if we can only get Jon to confirm whether its a bug, or intentional...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2007 2:05 AM EDT

Thanks to IndependenZ and Ranger for the loans of the two JKF. (It would appear that Ranger did a buy now in auctions for the one he loaned me... classic Ranger always looking out for himself 8@P).

I'd still like to look at the exactly averages, but what is clear is that;

1. Junction is NOT passing along the bonus to UC's level given by the HG, neither from the plus, or the base items +5.

2. Junction's STR bonuses are not stacking well, exhibited by the minimal increase in STR on the Junctioned familiar when wearing HoE and HG.

I do realize the update of the theme engine is taking up a significant portion of Jon's time already, but I would like just a hint of acknowledgment that this is bug, and not intentional.

QBRanger October 31 2007 2:07 AM EDT

Thanks for doing the testing.

A lot of the fun of CB is finding bugs in the system.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2007 2:15 AM EDT

Ooo thanks Hatch I almost forgot...
Thanks to Devenger who posted the original thread

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] October 31 2007 1:06 PM EDT

Okay fine.
Comet lvl 3,988,988
Junction: 825,507/655,165 (1.00)


WITH A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+17) & A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+13)

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 10 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1617482 & DI is 4,006,889 / 1,817,853
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1617482 & DI is 4,016,687 / 1,805,127
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1617482 & DI is 4,788,510 / 1,783,937


WITHOUT A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+17)

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 12 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,368,673 & DI is 5,218,268 / 1,825,868
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,368,673 & DI is 4,086,643 / 1,777,536
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 10 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,368,673 & DI is 5,132,015 / 1,817,853


WITHOUT A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+13)

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,430,894 & DI is 4,237,097 / 1,784975
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,430,894 & DI is 4,589,185 / 1,805,127
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,430,894 & DI is 4,292,690 / 1,786,632









QBBast [Hidden Agenda] October 31 2007 1:10 PM EDT


Oh ... I didn't do "WITHOUT A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+17) & A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+13)", so you don't have the "unbonused" numbers. Do I need to do it cowboy style, too?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2007 1:14 PM EDT

I should (or someone else who isn't at work) be able to get that number from the tat level...thank you very much for your help!

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] October 31 2007 1:23 PM EDT


Nothin' on but the boots!

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
829,509 and 3,485,826 / 1,805,127
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 11 rounds of combat
829,509 and 3,792,197 / 1,230,053
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 11 rounds of combat
829,509 and 3,962,327 / 1,823,427

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2007 2:13 PM EDT

Comet Base STR (or CBS) = 829509

829509*1.13 (the HG) = 937345 (bonus to STR of 107836)

829509*1.17 (the HoE) = 970525 (bonus to STR of 141016)


Comet's STR w/HoE = 1,430,894 (bonus to STR of 601385)
Comet's STR w/HGs = 1,368,673 (bonus to STR of 539164)
Comet's STR w/Both = 1,617,482 (bonus to STR of 787973)

CBS*1.45 (the combined bonus of the items 30 * 1.5) = 1,202,788

bummer... Junction is giving too much str.

Adminedyit October 31 2007 2:44 PM EDT

maybe a dumb question, but did you consider the fact that the tat is named?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2007 2:47 PM EDT

not a dumb question, but also not relevant...

Bast was kind enough to post the actual STR of the familiar, so I didn't have to get anything based on it's level.

Devenger [/me Forge Stuff :D] October 31 2007 3:12 PM EDT

Well, it's nice to see this is going somewhere. I sold off my ToJ because I no longer wanted to have to worry about this, and I didn't really need a Wall - have fun with it Ranger (can't see why you want it though).

IndependenZ October 31 2007 4:56 PM EDT

The Jig works great for me, but, then again, I don't use Junction. I'm probably better off, lol, if I look at these numbers.
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