Junction and the JKF... (in General)

I still need to do a lot of compiling and extrapolation but this is the raw data from a 1.8 mil named JKF. I'm also going to be testing a much smaller one later on tonight.

Evil Monkey cast Protection on all friendly Minions (28) (only other DR at work was AC less than 10)
(NO bonus items) STR = 380,223
Fight 1
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [122773]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [95323]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [107529]
Fight 2
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [125728]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [86306]
Fight 3
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [134159]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [97634]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [84831]

(HoE only [A Helm of Ecthelion +12]) STR = 624,655
Fight 1
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [120319]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [115056]
Fight 2
Kano beat Evil Monkey [135690]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [164641]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [136956]
Fight 3
Kano beat Evil Monkey [171439]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [142327]

(HG only [A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets +11]) STR = 624,658
Fight 1
Kano fractured Evil Monkey [135948]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [162632]
Fight 2
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [128928]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [105918]
Fight 3
Kano fractured Evil Monkey [167232]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [167297]

(HG and HoE) STR = 678,980 (ummm this is bad)
Fight 1
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [177253]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [138999]
Fight 2
Kano fractured Evil Monkey [169374]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [137012]
Fight 3
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [175446]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [169013]

(AoF +12) STR = 380,231
Fight 1
Kano beat Evil Monkey [107471]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [122149]
Fight 2
Kano beat Evil Monkey [115646]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [120879]
Fight 3
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [102672]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [85962]

(AoF + HG + HoE) STR = 678,987
Fight 1
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [174486]
Kano pulverized Evil Monkey [108416]
Fight 2
Kano pounded Evil Monkey [173212]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [174234]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [170885]
Fight 3
Kano crunched Evil Monkey [129579]
Kano crushed Evil Monkey [170337]

Max tattoo: 870 - Junction: 178 (1.00)

Target has 0 AC and no other DR in play

JKF Damage and hits for Round 1 melee (STR = 174)
Fight 1
Kano pulverized Doasun [125]
Kano pulverized Doasun [108]
Fight 2
Kano beat Doasun [137]
Kano pulverized Doasun [91]
Fight 3
Kano crunched Doasun [89]
Kano pulverized Doasun [118]

JKF + HG Damage and hits for Round 1 melee (STR = 287)
Fight 1
Kano beat Doasun [114]
Kano crushed Doasun [179]
Fight 2
Kano crunched Doasun [154]
Kano crushed Doasun [132]
Fight 3
Kano beat Doasun [152]

UC Minion Damage and hits for Round 1 melee (STR = 260 UC = 50)
Fight 1
Campy C. Slowhand pulverized Aftred [112]
Fight 2
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [142]
Campy C. Slowhand pulverized Aftred [180]
Fight 3
Melee Combat
Campy C. Slowhand pulverized Aftred [139]
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [127]

UC Minion Wearing HG (STR = 288 UC= Unarmed Combat: 170,187/50 +16)
Fight 1
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [3225]
Campy C. Slowhand crushed Aftred [2683]

If these examples hold up, and are typical (which they were from my experiences and Devanger's). I think that would be satisfactory proof that HGs do not junction the UC bonus.

Now, if we can only get Jon to confirm whether its a bug, or intentional...

Thanks to IndependenZ and Ranger for the loans of the two JKF. (It would appear that Ranger did a buy now in auctions for the one he loaned me... classic Ranger always looking out for himself 8@P).

I'd still like to look at the exactly averages, but what is clear is that;

1. Junction is NOT passing along the bonus to UC's level given by the HG, neither from the plus, or the base items +5.

2. Junction's STR bonuses are not stacking well, exhibited by the minimal increase in STR on the Junctioned familiar when wearing HoE and HG.

I do realize the update of the theme engine is taking up a significant portion of Jon's time already, but I would like just a hint of acknowledgment that this is bug, and not intentional.

Thanks for doing the testing.

A lot of the fun of CB is finding bugs in the system.

Ooo thanks Hatch I almost forgot...
Thanks to Devenger who posted the original thread

Okay fine.
Comet lvl 3,988,988
Junction: 825,507/655,165 (1.00)


WITH A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+17) & A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+13)

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 10 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1617482 & DI is 4,006,889 / 1,817,853
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1617482 & DI is 4,016,687 / 1,805,127
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1617482 & DI is 4,788,510 / 1,783,937


WITHOUT A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+17)

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 12 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,368,673 & DI is 5,218,268 / 1,825,868
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,368,673 & DI is 4,086,643 / 1,777,536
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 10 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,368,673 & DI is 5,132,015 / 1,817,853


WITHOUT A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+13)

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,430,894 & DI is 4,237,097 / 1,784975
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,430,894 & DI is 4,589,185 / 1,805,127
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
Kano-san's ST is 1,430,894 & DI is 4,292,690 / 1,786,632

Oh ... I didn't do "WITHOUT A Helm of Ecthelion [6] (+17) & A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets [4] (+13)", so you don't have the "unbonused" numbers. Do I need to do it cowboy style, too?

I should (or someone else who isn't at work) be able to get that number from the tat level...thank you very much for your help!

Nothin' on but the boots!

Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 9 rounds of combat
829,509 and 3,485,826 / 1,805,127
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 11 rounds of combat
829,509 and 3,792,197 / 1,230,053
Dixie Cousins defeated Violent Femmes (The Knighthood) after 11 rounds of combat
829,509 and 3,962,327 / 1,823,427

Comet Base STR (or CBS) = 829509

829509*1.13 (the HG) = 937345 (bonus to STR of 107836)

829509*1.17 (the HoE) = 970525 (bonus to STR of 141016)


Comet's STR w/HoE = 1,430,894 (bonus to STR of 601385)
Comet's STR w/HGs = 1,368,673 (bonus to STR of 539164)
Comet's STR w/Both = 1,617,482 (bonus to STR of 787973)

CBS*1.45 (the combined bonus of the items 30 * 1.5) = 1,202,788

bummer... Junction is giving too much str.

maybe a dumb question, but did you consider the fact that the tat is named?

not a dumb question, but also not relevant...

Bast was kind enough to post the actual STR of the familiar, so I didn't have to get anything based on it's level.

Well, it's nice to see this is going somewhere. I sold off my ToJ because I no longer wanted to have to worry about this, and I didn't really need a Wall - have fun with it Ranger (can't see why you want it though).

The Jig works great for me, but, then again, I don't use Junction. I'm probably better off, lol, if I look at these numbers.