DM and EDs. (in General)


Godpanda November 1 2007 7:30 PM EDT

Well... I've always heard that training the same ED across multiple minions is a bad idea, because DM reduces them all individually.


But is that true?

From the few glances I've seen, the EDs stack, THEN get reduced by DM.

4 AS that would by themselves give an effect of 25k are not ALL reduced to zero by a DM that removes 25k. Instead, the 4 25s stack, then are reduced, leaving you with whatever is left.

But I'm not sure. Just asking. Thanks=D

QBRanger November 1 2007 7:39 PM EDT

No,

The DM effects EACH ED separately.

That is if you have 4 x 25k AS's and your opponent has a 25k effective DM, all your AS's fail to cast.

Godpanda November 1 2007 7:52 PM EDT

D'oh. Someone move this to general?

Godpanda November 1 2007 8:07 PM EDT

Yup. He's right. Just tested it out for peace of mind.

Why is it like that?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 1 2007 8:08 PM EDT

because DM was designed as a foil for the standard CB1 powerhouse teams...

TheHatchetman November 1 2007 8:09 PM EDT

Because you cast Dispel Magic on all enemy minions, not enchantments.

Talion November 1 2007 9:16 PM EDT

Also... when you train a big DM, then you can't train AMF or EC with it, which is a restriction. RoS allows you to work around this a bit, but not enough to make a huge difference against ED teams at higher levels.

Flamey November 2 2007 2:01 AM EDT

Because you cast Dispel Magic on all enemy minions, not enchantments.

That's the best response I've ever seen to explain it.

Godpanda November 2 2007 2:05 AM EDT

Same, Flamey.

QBsutekh137 November 2 2007 9:58 AM EDT

Actually, DM is cast on the AURA around enemy minions. That's why your own AMF and/or EC are also dispelled. However, the "fizzles" are for each enemy enchanter. That's actually somewhat interesting now that I think about it...

None of that inherently means that DEs shouldn't stack first. DM _could_ apply to the final stacked level on each enemy minion, but instead affects each part of the DE as it is cast. I don't really think there is any programmatic difference in either, it is simply the way Jonathan implemented it. I like it, obviously, since I have a large DM, but I see the point of folks who would rather have DM cast on the stacked DE level.
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