Black Market Suggestion (in General)

48xVanished48 November 19 2007 7:02 AM EST

I have been looking at the Black Markets. And I have been noticing there have been only 3-5 items ever really being spawning.

Well anyway heres my suggestion, I think once an item gets spawned there should be a 'cool-down' period of like 20, 25, 30 days or something.

What do you guys think? And if this has already been suggested, Sorry.

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] November 19 2007 7:20 AM EST

Those 3-5 items are usually the only ones that people want. Theres no point in spawning some items as people don't really want them, or/and they are usually very easy to get hold of.

48xVanished48 November 19 2007 7:27 AM EST

If they truly want that item. They could just buy from other players. Instead of getting a group together and continuously spawning that item, until everyone is satisfied.

QBJohnnywas November 19 2007 7:28 AM EST

There is a black market vote thread. Each item that spawns does so because of the vote taken in there. So the items spawned are the ones, as Wasp says, that people want. If the vote put up something different then that something different would be what was voted for.

QBJohnnywas November 19 2007 7:30 AM EST

sorry, would be what was spawned. ;)

If you check the sort of items that are being spawned they tend to be items such as elven boots; items that more than one of can be equipped on a character. There aren't enough of those kinds of items around to satisfy demand.

What other items do you think should be spawned then?

QBJohnnywas November 19 2007 7:34 AM EST

You can add to that the fact that the only way to get something to spawn is to organise a group to vote. If you want something different to spawn then you could always organise your own group to vote for something else.

48xVanished48 November 19 2007 7:37 AM EST

Any other item that needs attention. Its just that those people voting don't want to pay the extra 1m, And rather bring the price down of that specific item. If people want EB's so bad? Why not make them the supporter item. That should solve everything. :)

phrog November 19 2007 11:32 AM EST

I'd be interested in finding out if there is any significant price difference between black market items and those in normal auctions. My initial thought would be there is not.

QBOddBird November 19 2007 12:38 PM EST

Vanished - that is the kind of logic that causes supporter item re-introductions and other such LOATHESOME changes.

Basically, it says: 'if everyone wants something, instead of earning it or working for it, they should be able to just have it. All of them.'

Which, in the end, gives everyone 1 RoE per team, 4 HoC, however many whatever else they want...

Ooh! Prediction! "Jon, why don't you make MPR a supporter item? I don't wanna work for that either."

48xVanished48 November 19 2007 4:10 PM EST

OOB, You aren't understanding where I am coming from. I am thinking the EXACT same thing as you. These people don't want to work hard and earn the extra money, Instead they rather it continuously spawning in the BM so the items can just keep getting less and less expensive.

Flamey November 19 2007 4:14 PM EST

It's not getting less and less expensive, the demand is too high. Even if the price drops, it wont be significant. In fact it'll be like old prices, EB are currently on a high.

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 19 2007 4:39 PM EST

Item Name Quanity of Items Avg NW Avg Price - NW

Elven Cloak 156 $867,821 $1,359,977

Elven Hauberk 63 $1,816,377 $1,096,861

Pair of Displacement Boots 199 $6,378,375 $1,914,429

Pair of Elven Boots 209 $1,766,694 $1,906,983

Elven Long Bow 192 $12,290,758 $-913,300

Elven Long Sword 72 $2,563,942 $406,733

These are the items I want for my team, admittedly I own a few of them but the EH has only 63 in TOTAL on the market. Most of the people with them, use them.

While there are more EB than DB, they are still harder to come by, on both aspects, due to the fact that multiple minions on a single team has a use for them.

Hate to say it X but right now, we need to put more items into the market. The worth of the CB$ is going down and prices are going up. Its getting ugly.

Ulord[NK] November 19 2007 4:39 PM EST

The trickle of items coming from bm auction will not lower market price. Whoever thinks that is hallucinating. It won't even slow inflation to any visible extent.

Does that mean you shouldn't bother voting in bm? Not really. Statistically your vote for president also doesn't matters, but you vote anyways. (you do right?)

48xVanished48 November 19 2007 4:41 PM EST

Now that I'm thinking about it. Thats true. But what about other items like the AoF and the MgS. There hard to find AND super expensive.

Do you guys think they ( and every other Support item) Should be put into the BM? If not, What could we do, to make it a bit easier and a bit cheaper to get?

Aargh [Closer to the Stars] November 19 2007 5:03 PM EST

As much as I'd like to get my hands on some of them, I don't think it's a good idea to put supporter items in the Black Market.

First of all, it has already been said that the BM won't bring down prices. The amount of items it spawns is siply too small. Second, it wouldn't be fair to the people who paid for the supporter items. It's like buying a car and then finding out someone else is giving away free cars. Well, not exactly like that, but you get the idea. =P

If anything, reintroduction of old supporter items as 'new' supporter items is a lot more fair.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 19 2007 5:39 PM EST

the only reason i would like to see supporter items in bm is then maybe we wouldn't need reintroductions. then we could get new-fangled supporter items that make our Christmas morning happy and festive. i do think we would need to revamp black market though so they could be spawned a tad bit more easily. i guess that says that the reintroductions don't bother me as much as the lack of new supporter items coming out.

48xVanished48 November 19 2007 5:49 PM EST

How about, Bring supporter Items in the BM, But have that cool down idea I was talking about before take place for Support items only. So like, It takes 200 votes or something for the MgS. But the next time people can vote for it is 1 month later. Or something like that. Is that better?

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] November 20 2007 12:52 AM EST

We have already discussed bringing supporter items into the BM, but if we were to do that where is the compensation to all of us that have been around and bought our Supporter items, which should be rare for now on and forever more. How would it be fair to us veterans who have been around for years and had to pay for our supporter items. If you want a supporter item bad enough your gonna offer a large sum of money... who in their right mind would have turned down 10 mil for a tsa or an hoc before the reintro. Too many people just want their cake and eat it too, which leads to spoiled users... users who aren't willing to pay a large sum of money for an item that they really want, because they feel it will be reintroduced soon enough as is.

There are only about 3-5 items in the BM that are actively voted on anyways... Why should there be a cool down on them if there are only 5 items that ever spawn... wouldn't that turn people off from the BM... which makes no sense what so ever. A cool down period of say 20 days will mean nothing to BM voters... since it already takes about 2 weeks for some items to spawn why would it change the items that people vote on... ohh Gosh here we go with DBs and after that its EBs and after that DBs... so on and so forth... there would still be no change... its just useless code that does not need to be there... And if its 30 days.... oh no there will only be three items voted on >.<

The BM does not make the prices drop... especially at the current nub bonus. And with the Nub cash influx, and Vet sellout influx the CBD:USD ratio is dropping dramatically. It wasn't too long ago that CBD was $15 per mil... Just think... if a nub makes 100 mil in the time it takes him to work his 4 months... that gives him a large sum to buy the items they need. Its just most Nub don't realize the huge drop in cash rewards they will receive once they hit their 4 months. Thats when they sellout or just flat out quit. It has been far too many Nub that have just quit after their short 4 month stint... but look... there are still a few that have stayed on and fought with all their might.

And while I'm here let me touch onto a point that you haven't realized... most of these items that are being voted on, these people want a base one just because they don't have the funds to pay more for already upped forms of that item. In most cases... it is cheaper to get a base item than it is to buy and +X item, that is not always the case but it is to a large extent. When you only have so much cash you can spend on an item, or a smaller MPR to work with and you don't want your PR to suffer... then what else is someone to do but to get a base item.

Hope my little blurb helps you rethink the BM a little bit.
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