Scores dropping? Why? (in General)

Am I the only one losing targets by the dozen because their score drops down by 100K to 150K and never goes up?

When my current NCB reached about 1.4M PR, I had about 10 to 15 clan targets in the 1.6M to 1.8M score range. Right now, I have only two of those targets left in the 1.6M score range for minimal bonus and all the others have dropped to 1.5M score of bellow.

Also, I noticed that most characters that used to have scores in the 1.8M and upwards range have now dropped in the 1.5M or 1.6M score range.

I don't understand this because my score has been constant around 1.7M all this time. Does anyone have any idea what is going on?

because there's more NCB dudes now than ever :P And they are all stucked at 1~1.5mil MPR... sometimes their strat allows them to hit 1.6~1.8mil PR dudes thus bringing the top down, while those who previously in 1.6~1.8mil PR dudes farm those from 2~2.2mil dudes and the cycle continues...

Lots of new NCB characters.

My average challenge bonus has dropped to 7% :(

Thanks for the responses, they make a lot of sense... unfortunately.

"Am I the only one losing targets by the dozen because their score drops down by 100K to 150K and never goes up? "

No. Mine average bonus has also dropped to about 7% in the past week or so, and was at least double that before.

In fact, I came to this forum right now to see if anybody else had posted about the same problem.

Exactly how many new NCB dudes are at the 1.5M score area?

Do we know if they are any particular strategy? Is it 1 or 2 or more?

Cold hard facts please!

Well all but one person on my fightlist isn't a N*B, and the majority of people I can add around my score are N*B characters. Just a quick glance of add clan members close to my score shows about 80% of the characters are N*B, I can get the actual numbers when I have more time.

Well, myself, Pulchritude[NK], and horseguy001 are have different strategies and are the only characters in my range who's scores have not been steadily dropping.

But those are the ones I noticed, I might be missing a few.

Most other character scores in the 1.5M to 1.8M range have been steadily dropping... N*B or not.

All it really takes is 1 or 2 character with a much lower score/PR/MPR who can beat some people in the 1.6-1.8M score range to lower everyones score and challenge bonus.

IE if someone has a 1.0M score and finds out they can beat someone with a 1.7M score, that can cause a cascade effect effective everyone in that range of scores.

That's what I think too.

Although it takes only a few attacks against a higher score character to to restore your own score, I can see how the cascade effect can happen.

It happens at the top as well. once someone can beat one of the top 10 or so characters, all scores drop for a while.

It stays dropped if that person in turn can be beat by those lower then him/her.

In time, things will equalize, until the next person of interest comes along.

So to put it simply: I am stuck in my homemade molasses. LOL!

Basically until you can get to the next level of characters to fight/beat.

Just tossing out an observation. I do not have hard data to back it up, but I am fairly perceptive and would not be surprised if the data bore my observation out.

Recently the viability of tanks or tank based teams has increased. As gear becomes readily available, cash reserves increase and the cost of buying CB2 with USD decreases, the viability of tank strategies increase. In addition to all the fun tanks get with gear, gear combinations, and pure range crushing ability, they became even more popular.

So we have swung away from mage blender and ventured further into tank blender (or even parity, tis not the issue)

Now comes the buffed RoBF. It is basically a tank killer. What it does to Mages I cannot say, but to tanks, with just the smallest effort, they can evade every attack. So now everyone is equipping the RoBF and suddenly people that could not touch tanks teams, can beat them easily and beat those people with much higher scores than previous to the RoBF buff.

So it drags all the scores down, as smaller less powerful in general teams fight and win against previously much more powerful teams. (previous to the RoBF buff)

End result, scores of the Majority (people not using the RoBF and running some sort of tank based team) are falling and small but growing minority of RoBF users are rising.

Answer? Get your own RoBF. If you cannot beat them, join them.

Good answer? No, but the truth is not always pleasant.

I bet the reason all the scores are dropping are from NUBs who read the post about NUBs and forging and started using their free BA to forge instead of fight.

Hey new thought to my answer for the RoBF.....defensive tattoo.

Just get yourself a RoBF larger than you max, and only equip it when you plan to be idle. That way, you will win most of the fights against you while you sleep, but you can wake up, unequip it, and still get the good challenge bonus from your current fight list. The only foil would be if someone on your current fight list changed to the RoBF permantently OR followed my advice (do not count on that *smile*)

Enjoy!

Isńt that so: If someones score rises, others score will fall? Oxcha-s score was over 5mil & Koy-s score is on the increase too ....

"... Now comes the buffed RoBF. ..."

Please have mercy on everyone with this subject! Please!

Check out the three characters I mentioned as being able to maintain their scores. I am the only RBF user and when tanks get past my UC minion, they have no problem disposing of me.

One thing for sure: As soon as this NCB is over I am selling my character and banning RBF strategies from my list forever. It has gotten to a point where it just makes me want to vomit when people mention the RBF. I can't wait until my NCB is over so I can ignore any thread with the word RBF in it.

I thought rants about the single ToA archers were annoying but now I remember those as the good old days.

since we are stuck on the RoBF, [it seems that atm all strat discussion roads on CB2 lead to the RoBF], there's one unpleasant downside to using it, which is the fact that you cannot interchange it with an RoE to grow the char. Most ToA and ToE minions use the RoE to reduce PR and fight down the list for better rewards, but this is simply not possible with the RoBF.

As regards the original topic of this thread, since I've been stuck at 1.5 mil for the past fortnight, I've been researching this conundrum, and it seems that this is the wall high growth [N*B] chars must hit after their initial bloom period that is helped on by the number of redundant chars one can farm off at the lower levels.

Beyond 1.5 mil score, there is no abandoned/ unattended char left to farm, and the ones that exist are in the top league. So, you forgo your 100 percent bonuses, [I'm in the 30 pc bonus average rate atm], and the fight rewards too come down. In effect, this creates a cycle of lesser char growth, and restricts the char to this score range, until some more time of N*B growth, when they can challenge the people in the top league.

You can check out the history graphs of recently completed NCB chars, and this 1.5 mil score range is the place where the plateau begins.

Talion: You mentioned yours, horseguy's, and mine - but I think, besides us, there's quite a few characters at this score range that are fairly consistent.

Seven other RoBF:

Zinc 1,530,390
Monkey Business 1,523,756
Esi 1,605,477
MrMunch 1,597,386
MI5 1,512,324
TestChar2 1,457,936
Annihilus 1,452,688

A few more rising ones: [Hikeex, Rigwarl, Team 7]

There's more archer-based teams. But that's basically it. Archers, and RoBF chars. There's the odd ToE user [horseguy, me] and a few other random characters thrown in here and there. But this area is definitely dominated by RoBF [who barely beat/mostly stalemate] and archers [who I lose to] which leaves me with very few/strange pickings.

"Zinc 1,530,390
Monkey Business 1,523,756
Esi 1,605,477
MrMunch 1,597,386
MI5 1,512,324
TestChar2 1,457,936
Annihilus 1,452,688 "

Most of them had scores over 1.65M about 2 weeks ago. I know because 5 of them were in my favorites list.

My selection criteria used to be that anything bellow 1.6M score or not in clan didn't make my favorites list. That was about 2 weeks ago. I usually had between 5 and 15 targets.

Now, as long as I don't get negative rewards, anything goes. Right now, I have only 3 targets, 1 clan member, over 1.6M score.

"You can check out the history graphs of recently completed NCB chars, and this 1.5 mil score range is the place where the plateau begins."

Yes, I had noticed the same thing.

The most noticeable thing is the difference in MPR between characters in the 1.5M to 1.8M score range and the ones above it. The average difference is about 1M MPR. Ouch!

actually, how does the score work? does it operate on a closed system or an open one? My point is: in a fight, if I win say 50 score from my opponent, does my opponent necessarily loses that 50 score? or does the number not match and the total score is constant (ignoring the 1 score a new player brings.)

Beat someone with a higher score, your score raises a lot.

Beat someone with a lower score, your score raises a little.

Lose to someone with a lower score, you lose a lot of score.

Lose to someone with a higher score, you lose a little score.

The amount is based on the difference between your characters score at the time of the battle.

When I had over 5M score, my score would raise 45 points per battle I won. If I stalemated or lost, I lost over 150k score.

It seems a stalemate, if you have higher score, causes you to lose score. If your lower nothing happens. If someone lower then your score attacks you and stalemates you, you lose no score as well.

A draw does not cause a change in score by my observations. Can someone confirm this?

Theres 2 reasons why my score has stabilized around 1.7 mil.

The first is my newly acquired NW, it is very hard for those of a lower mpr to overcome the +180 DB and 2 mil+ ToE. The second reason is janx, I am riding his success. He has consistently given me the highest challenge bonus of any character on my list for the last month. Even right now its double that of anyone else.

Most my losses come from people that are higher then me, so it doesn't affect my score too much. Talion and zinc get the odd win due to the randomness of the RoBF, and Pulchritude[NK] beats me hands down...but not with his RoE :)

Let me say this Sefton... the only way a robf team can beat a well built, Strategic strat: would be if the user with the Robf has more Mpr or larger tat up to max tat. As Dudemus has said... he can't beat any of the tank teams around his mpr or higher, so to say that robf is the tank killer... is not quite right, its more a stalemate machine.

Don´t want to talk here about RoBF vs. Tank, but that is: My tank with bow (+87) hits 2 times in round Tygra-s minion (1,4 mil lvl RoBF + evasion + DB).And my own RoBF is useless against tanks too.
Enough this subject here !

Well, just recently, as in today and yesterday scores have increased for me. I've actually seen a 0% Challenge Bonus (woah!) and my score is above my MPR now.

OK so did not mean to start a RoBF slam thread, it was just my observation as to why scores were falling. I am not suggesting its a bad thing. It is likely a correction to be honest, but in saying that, or I should say in explaining that, it would suggest other corrections that I would prefer not be made.

The RoBF basically created another imbalance. End result, another group of people can create high Score to PR ratios. Unfortunate result, that group can beat most of the another imbalanced group as well as a completely different set of people to create their high Score to PR ratio. Real end result scores tend to the middle.

Why all the cryptic whatever. The real reason? I do not want to get into a debate over the data. You do not have to believe me. This is my observation. I could be wrong.

The truth? It was needed. There is a GREAT disparity over the Score to PR ratios as one climbs the MPR ladder. The higher one goes the smaller and smaller this ratio is. This is normal and assumed, but it is, or I should say was too drastic. Way too drastic. The curve was off. I bet this helps normalize it some. Again, I am not sure it was intended. Again, you do not have to believe me. Again, I am not "blaming" the RoBF. Again, find a different reason and prove it. All good with me. This is just my observation.

my observation is that these threads pop up once a month. do a search on score lower drop etc. and you will see that it is a very common occurrence, even before the rbf was "improved". it is probably even blamed on the "evil flavor of the month" in most of those threads! ;)

Subject: Scores dropping? Why?

Answer: If I had the time I'd troll through all the old forum posts discussing the same topic from the last 100 years or so of Carnage Blender and link them here.

Scores change because they're fluid. They go up and down for many reasons and have done so since day one. Day one being before Challenge Bonus was visible, before RoBF changes, before Ranger, before any single reason anyone has mentioned in this thread etc, etc...

They are fluid and as such influenced by many different aspects of the game. The only thing you can guarantee about score is that it will dip, stabilise, rise, dip, stabilise in that manner all the time...

pah. bleh to you dudemus :)

Just made little research: looked 30 lasts days history graphs.
Seems like the last "good days" were 17-18.nov. And interesting is that most affected are only players between 1 mil - 2 mil sc/pr. Honestly did not check all top20 players graphs, but those that i checked, are not "suffering" so much as under 2mil/sc-players.
What does that tell you?

nothing

Ok. Lets say that score is dropping cause its MUST.
And all the story, bye, bye ;)

My score has risen. But then I've just switched from RBF to tank....;)

"Answer: If I had the time I'd troll through all the old forum posts discussing the same topic from the last 100 years or so of Carnage Blender and link them here."

Response: That doesn't mean we can't discuss the current reason why it is dropping. It might even help some users adjust their strategies. I am sure the actual reason, although never really determined, is different every time.

the way i see it is that scores go up when someone new breaks into an area of higher scores than them. likewise, scores drop when someone changes strategy and cuts off a link to the lower score areas. this can happen in all score ranges, but the major changes we see are usually due to the top ten or so scorers and the effect then trickles down.

it is probably happening with different players most of the time, but in my humble opinion this would explain the vast majority of score fluctuations.

i did forget that score can rise by someone double or triple-tapping someone they cannot normally defeat in one round and thus boosting their scores beyond the normal range. this would be mostly at the top tier of game play.

Hm I've kind of reached the 'score plateau' mentioned before with my NCB, and it seems like it's a self-sustaining thing.

Almost everyone on my fightlist also seems to have hit a similar level where their score is fluctuating around the same point, and I think everyone's growing at roughly the same speed.

So I keep farming the same people, the same people keep farming me, and there's barely any net gain or loss in score unless you're either at the top or at the bottom of the score-range 'food chain'.

Uh hello...temperatures rising + scores dropping = teh global warmings. /awaits Nobel prize

no Nobel prize for you! you have to invent teh internet first. :)

My bad.. I haven't been on to suck the score off of BR :(

In response to ranger. A draw will raise the score of the person with the lower score. I'm 90% sure it doesn't have any effect on the person with the higher score.

"Uh hello...temperatures rising + scores dropping = teh global warmings. /awaits Nobel prize"

/me gives a Nobel prize nomination to NSFY.

<sarcasm>Main cause for global warming is probably due to all those RBF users.</sarcasm>

DT does have a valid point.

As the only person who can consistently beat Oxcha and Edyit, he does raise the scores in turn of those that beat him.

Oxcha was close to 5.5M score in the time DT was not on. Now that his score was lowered and DT's raised, it caused a cascade type effect.