Teh ATROCITY! (in General)

Post-battle stats Minion    XP    HP    ST    DX    AC    DI    Ammo Kano-san -67,482 24,797 41,329 0 0 Babosun 353 -13,720 20 20 -5 175,443
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Hejin II	New Sparty
Babosun cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (20,304) Big Slick cast Dispel Magic on all enemy Minions (78,545) Big Slick cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (89847) Ranged Combat Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [9208]   Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [15557] Pocket Ace's shot Kano-san [36668]   Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [13819] Pocket Ace's skewered Kano-san [39020] Pocket Ace's skewered Kano-san [33123] R.I.P. Kano-san   Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [13567] Pocket Ace's missed Babosun   Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [12400] Pocket Ace's missed Babosun   Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [36468] Pocket Ace's missed Babosun   Melee Combat Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [39039], Big Slick [5891] Babosun burns from the flames surrounding Big Slick (45881)   Babosun's Fireball hit Big Slick for no damage Babosun's Fireball hit Pocket Ace's [29494] Babosun burns from the flames surrounding Big Slick (43262) Pocket Ace's stumbled swinging at Babosun R.I.P. Babosun

Do you have 50% of your exp in dd? If not, there is no atrocity here. Just a very small fireball :)

first of all, RoBF seems to need more balancing, since it's completely pwning fireball

second of all, NOOOO!!..... Kano-san!

1. Yes, more than 50% of my EXP is in Fireball.
2. Notice, no AMF, no form of DD reduction aside from RoBF.

I have no problem toasting all the same RoBF characters I used to own and it's not taking any longer than usual. Notice the large MPR gap between OB and his target.

Yeah, the target is twice his size.

Agreed, there is a large MPR gap. I fail to see how this affects my point.


My FB can ordinarily hit in melee up to 70k, and in ranged well over 100k. This means that it is reducing 35k damage to 0. He has no other means of DD reduction. Someone at my own MPR or a lower MPR has the same amount of DD reduction, so MPR plays no part here.

Ob, his max tattoo is twice yours. If he has a maxed out tattoo, that's like having an amf effect of 50% since it reduces twice as much damage possible against you. However, I too think ROBF needs a bit more nerfy. Reduce the dd reduction to 60% of its previous level instead of 66%.

Lol, your evasion is doing similar to the tank on the opposition.

JW: My evasion is pathetic, that's the DBs.


Ulord: A battle that is won based on comparing tattoos? Boring. CB needs less of that. I agree, a nerf is in order.

Ah DBs. Now there's a question that raises: should an approx 130k MPR char be able to wear +202 DBs.....That pretty much makes you invincible to any tank char almost up to the top.

And no offence mate, but of the two things which is worse? I'd say the oversized boots personally rather than some tattoo blocking your DD.

I totally agree with you there, Johnny. :)

I suppose, then, that this can be an example of both the RoBF problem as well as the USD problem.

On a side note: I would have no issue with this if the RoBF didn't do damage, or if the DD reduction wasn't so powerful against the newly weakened ranged DD, but with both factors, all you really need is a RoBF to win a fight against a mage.

not really any RoBF team will tell you that single fireball mages are a big threat.

I dunno about that recently - that was certainly true before, when ranged damage was not under this heavy reduction, but lately under this system I'm avoiding RoBF users like the plague.

Once I get past the point that I can break the %DD reduction barrier, I can finally attack RoBF users who don't train AMF....but the ones who train a small amount (just enough!) will still reduce my damage back into the 0 zone. Thank Jon for NSC!

I would not take the lower tier of the game where PR and score can be disproportionally different and people of different PR fights at the same range. Wait till you get to the stable zone then judge. Again, from personal experience, i have not taken off any RoBF opponents from my list. I run a dual fireball obliterator build starting with SFBM and I'm not feeling unbalance.

RoBF hardly gained any ground at all after the change. Ranged damage was cut by 40%, while RoBF blockage was reduced by 34.

Peach - it's a problem that has been expressed for a while, pre-change.

Ulord - gotcha, I'll wait until I gain some more MPR and then create another thread. :P