Admin Help Requested (in Public Record)

Dark Dreky March 10 2008 9:43 AM EDT

Welp, I seem to have sent my Cloak of Istari (+12) to the wrong character. How you may ask? Because I am totally and utterly stupid (or just haven't had my coffee yet). I sent it to "NARUTO" belonging to 'rafy' who has been inactive since sometime in 2006.

I meant to send it to Naruto Uzumaki belong to The Battasou (sp?) seeing he sent me 1.6m as payment for the item. If this can be fixed or reversed I will gladly pay any stupidity fine that you might impose. If not, I guess I deserve it??

Thanks in advance! =)

QBOddBird March 10 2008 9:45 AM EDT

Hehe, I've done that before too.

Now I always go to their character page and use Send to, just to be certain.

miteke [Superheros] March 10 2008 10:14 AM EDT

What Send to? I only see a way to send CM, not items, that way.

iBananco [Blue Army] March 10 2008 10:15 AM EDT

Character, not user page.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] March 10 2008 10:15 AM EDT

You have to go to their actual character page, not account page.

QBJohnnywas March 10 2008 10:15 AM EDT

Booty said character page; the 'inspect character' page is what he means.

Dark Dreky March 10 2008 1:25 PM EDT

Hmm. Still no response from an Admin. Can this problem even be solved?

As I mentioned before, I'll gladly accept and "Idiot Fee" the may be imposed.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 10 2008 1:27 PM EDT

There is a long time policy against anything like this...
You'll need to email the user and ask them to send it back.

Dark Dreky March 10 2008 1:30 PM EDT

Haha... right. Well, seeing as he hasn't been on in two years I guess I'll just have to take the loss.

AdminLamuness March 10 2008 1:30 PM EDT

That's unfortunate Dreky. But that's what the confirmation page is for.

Ulord[NK] March 10 2008 1:34 PM EDT

I've done worse before. (bid 8mil on something that's 800k or something like that).

That's why we should start an idiot insurance. By idiots for idiots :P.

AdminG Beee March 10 2008 2:56 PM EDT

Dreky, can I suggest (if you've not already done so) that you email the guy and ask him to log in to send you the item back. If he's forgotten his log-in details I'm happy to send them to his email account to help out. He has his email addy shown on his user page.

Unfortunately that's as much as I can do to try and get your item back. There's lots of examples where people have made this error - you're not the first stupid person, and you won't be the last. I've done it myself ;) Admins can not intervene to return your item. You've just been super unlucky that this guy hasn't been on for a while and appears inactive. Hopefully if he gets your email he'll try and help you out :)

Wasp [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] March 10 2008 3:14 PM EDT

In other, non sugar coated, words. Tough Luck.

Admins are granted the powers for all other things, but not the ones that might help us to rectify an honest mistake.

Sad I know. Don't take it personally admins, you're just following the rules given to you...

j'bob March 10 2008 3:25 PM EDT

it does remind me of hearing of those who re inked their supporter tats and or RoE's. Ouch. My condolences Dreky

Dark Dreky March 10 2008 9:14 PM EDT

In other words...

R.I.P Cloak of Istari (+12) ... may your days be merry

BootyGod March 10 2008 9:17 PM EDT

This kind of things leaves a bad taste in my mouth... Like chugging chugging chlorox....

QBsutekh137 March 10 2008 9:25 PM EDT

This NOT a come down on the admins....but...

At what point does longevity/community actually matter in terms of someone saying, "Help me out, I made a mistake..."?

I am not sure I remember Dark Dreky not being around, and sure, he could be a multi, a bot user...any number of things... We all could be. Including me.

But the game is about who is here and who has been here. This isn't a scam...he is asking for it back and then he can send again (double-paying the xfer fee, I might add). And if it is a deal gone wrong, I don't see any PR about it? (actually, Dreky, is there PR for the deal you refer to? I can see the xfer of 1.6 million, but remember, PR is your friend... *smile*)

I'm sorry, in this case I actually don't see why no one can help. This is easy. This is community. Community should err on the side of trust.

I'm going to go play some Warbook now where everyone is a juvenile screw-job and I barely know anyone. At least I know where I stand there...

AdminG Beee March 10 2008 9:31 PM EDT

You know where you stand here too Sut :)

What does longevity count for? Should we draw the line at 1 year for "mistakes", 2 years, or 45 days...?

This kind of situation has always been black and white. It's like this so everyone knows exactly what to expect.

If admins involve themselves to sort out mistakes - where do we draw the line on mistakes..? I sold my item to the shop, I didn't mean to click the buy now button on auction...

As much as I feel sorry for Dark Dreky (and I really do), having admins involved in "gameplay" is a recipe for disaster at some time in the future.

QBsutekh137 March 10 2008 10:23 PM EDT

You guys track down multis (and such) starting on far less.

The 1.6 million came from somewhere. I checked it myself. So that fits.

Dreky has been around for a while, so that fits.

Dreky has nothing to gain by simply getting the item back, and if the other fella has a problem with that and voices it, you bet I would be the first to support HIM/HER! So that fits, too.

Maybe it isn't that I don't trust the admins enough -- maybe I trust them too much. I trust the admins to be the umpires of CB. You have all surely made such judgment calls before (under heat, I might add).

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That's what an umpire umps. And either the admins have a presence or they don't. Don't tell us you KNOW when DAWG was using a bot (something I was unwillfully close to due to DAWG contacting me outside of CB) and expect us to trust it, but then say "our hands our tied" in this trivial matter of getting DD his cloak back.

Trust works both ways, and in both admin/user directions.

QBsutekh137 March 10 2008 10:28 PM EDT

Man, I suck... Dropping a post when I know full well GB is asleep by now (better be... *smile*)

G_Beee, you know I mean no disrespect (I hope). But I do feel I am making valid points. Not sure why I felt the need to make that clear, but it probably has something to do with the quality that is you.

Flamey March 11 2008 2:08 AM EDT

Admins interfere with gameplay by unretiring characters! This is something like that isn't it? Give him a stupidity tax and give him back the item, and if something like this happens in future then just do the same thing. If there's doubt then say "no", but in this case, he has nothing to gain, he's not scamming anyone, and he's not doing anything wrong.

Say tough luck to those that sell their item to the shop or accidentally click buy now. Dreky just made a clerical error, and he's not benefiting from this. I think that's the main point, he's not gaining anything.

No offence intended yadda yadda, I'm sick of people taking offence to things and snapping at me, and no I'm not snapping at admins or G.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 11 2008 3:18 AM EDT

There is no potential for scamming when admins unretire a char...
We already have people out for admin hide based on fines being a judgement call... do you really want to see what happens the first time an admin denies someone a retrieval because there is some question about it? How can you expect people who give loans or sell items on a payment plan not to expect the same treatment?

Admins have enough to do, he's already paid the stupidity tax and didn't even have to get an admin involved...

AdminJonathan March 11 2008 9:51 AM EDT

> It's like this so everyone knows exactly what to expect.

> If admins involve themselves to sort out mistakes - where do we draw the line on mistakes..? I sold my item to the shop, I didn't mean to click the buy now button on auction...

GB is exactly right. (And this is my policy, not the admins', who are usually helpful to a fault.)

> You guys track down multis (and such) starting on far less.

That's exactly the distinction... The main role of admins is to enforce game rules that can't be automated. Not to be an "undo button."

AdminJonathan March 11 2008 9:53 AM EDT

> Admins interfere with gameplay by unretiring characters! This is something like that isn't it?

They shouldn't, really, but I've let that slide since the unretire interface is pretty broken. If/when I or Verifex fixes that, admins won't get involved.

Dark Dreky March 11 2008 10:02 AM EDT

If by "stupidity tax" you mean 1.6m then, yes. I did pay the stupidity tax. I admit my actions in sending the item were obviously a little too hasty and maybe a little too trusting, but I guess I feel that I can trust the CB community.

I have been playing CB since late 2005 and have made COUNTLESS deals whether it be buying a Corn from Ranger on a 2 week payment plan or selling a Fire Familiar to a NUB (maybe even against my better judgement). After all of these deals over the passed years NONE of them have ever gone wrong. I always paid on time and have always been paid on time.

Now I realize that I did not make a PR thread about my past deals, but I guess that is just how comfortable I have become with the CB community. I can honestly say I trust almost everyone in CB. Furthermore, I somehow doubt that if I had made a PR thread that anything would be different. I sent my item to an inactive character who will never see the benefits of it. In fact, NO ONE will ever see the benefits of the item.

The burden of this self-imposed "stupidity tax" is in actuality being shared by the entire CB community.

Colonel Custard March 11 2008 1:02 PM EDT

"Dreky, can I suggest (if you've not already done so) that you email the guy and ask him to log in to send you the item back."

I don't know if you've already done this, but I certainly don't see how you would have anything to lose by it. If you've already sent an email, maybe give it a little time. This just happened yesterday (correct?), so he may not have checked his email yet.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 12 2008 10:07 AM EDT

Ye'know, its more time-consuming, but how about looking up the person you want to send the item to, 'Send To,' instead of External Transfers.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] March 12 2008 10:50 AM EDT

Just get rid of the External Transfers link please, this would end all of this...

And i don't understand why people dont check the confirm page when sending (Especially when using "External Transfers"), I check it even using "Send To". I sit on that page for almost a minute just putting it in my head that "Yes, this is the correct person to whom I'm wanting to send this item." =P

Or change the external links to send to account names (Send it to the active char of that account) instead of guessing the character name.

Hyrule Castle March 12 2008 1:46 PM EDT

don't get rid of external x-fers its a godsend for us C&P users...
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