Is NCB too difficult? (in General)


Wizard'sFirstRule June 11 2008 1:01 AM EDT

AtomicBoy is selling his 3m MPR character, and the highest bid is 30m? I have 75m of debt right now from NCB and I don't think I will even get up to 3m MPR. so 4 month of work + 75m of debt to run a NCB is worth 30m?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 11 2008 1:28 AM EDT

NCB is fine

It's a second chance, not a handout.

lostling June 11 2008 1:31 AM EDT

theres a difference between 3 minions and 1 minion

Wizard'sFirstRule June 11 2008 1:34 AM EDT

my point is if I offer someone my character for settlement of my debt, would anyone do it?

I have spent 2 months, and I can't even get break-even with my effort. It is just so much cheaper to buy a character (and easier).

Khardin June 11 2008 2:06 AM EDT

Neither sounds cheap to me.. trying to outfit a 3m MPR character isn't trivial.

QBOddBird June 11 2008 3:42 AM EDT

BlueWolf - so far my analysis of the situation is that nobody has bid that is willing to pay its true value. Remember, we've had something like 6 top 10 chars selling within the past month or 2.

Sickone June 11 2008 7:13 AM EDT

"my point is if I offer someone my character for settlement of my debt, would anyone do it? "

I seriously doubt that :)
I mean, considereing I ran the entire NCB without incurring any debt, I barely bought any BA in the first month, and I'm not *that* far behind, considering that I also didn't use a RoE from around 1 mil MPR at all, and I started swapping it out for ToE even earlier... so, theoretically, you could easily get to 3+ mil MPR with a single-char minion if you used a RoE the whole time, even if you bought absolutely no BA at all.
So, no, almost nobody would buy a character, when they can start a NCB of their own... and get similar results by simply being around to burn BA.

TheHatchetman June 11 2008 9:21 AM EDT

buying characters is easier, but then then you're stuck with whatever XP spread and minion cost they had :P

Relic June 11 2008 9:41 AM EDT

"theoretically, you could easily get to 3+ mil MPR with a single-char minion if you used a RoE the whole time, even if you bought absolutely no BA at all."

sorry, this is completely untrue and not realistic whatsoever, it is impossible to even hit 3 mil MPR without buying BA

QBRanger June 11 2008 9:49 AM EDT

I would beg to possibly maybe disagree.

Perhaps if you buy BA only during xp times, it is possible.
But with LA hitting 4M MPR in a day or 2, the N*B is very high.

The ROE gives accelerated xp and if you use an abusive strategy, you can keep a nice challenge bonus for a long time.

I think 3M MPR is doable.

QBJohnnywas June 11 2008 9:51 AM EDT

I've barely missed a normal ba. I bought BA for the first month and then only been able to afford to buy for crazy XP times about two or three times.

I've two weeks left to go on my NCB and at best I'm going to top out at 1.9 million.

QBRanger June 11 2008 9:52 AM EDT

I stand corrected :).

I guess 2M is possible without buying BA.

But JW, did you start with 1600?

QBJohnnywas June 11 2008 9:57 AM EDT

No, I didn't that is true. But even with that I'd probably only be looking at a 2 million char, or a little over.


If you want to achieve a high MPR it's bought BA or nothing. As it should be IMO. It would be nice to get a better leg up. But why should it be too easy to run an NCB? I know that for the most part I've been on a four month personal rescale for quite some time. I do wonder what my situation would be if I'd not done that.



QBRanger June 11 2008 9:58 AM EDT

Hey,

2M MPR is not too bad given no bought BA.

Relic June 11 2008 9:58 AM EDT

3 mil is definitely doable, however, not without buying BA the entire time, or missing only a few days of purchased BA.

QBJohnnywas June 11 2008 10:03 AM EDT

No, 2 mill isn't bad at all for almost no financial outlay. Especially as I started with my own created char and no saved BA.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 11 2008 10:08 AM EDT

i would guess that jon's desired target for such a run would be getting you somewhere under the 6/20 refresh mark.

it would just seem too lenient if without putting extra money into it, by saving or purchasing, you could end up outside of the challenge bonus game.

Sickone June 11 2008 10:51 AM EDT

"QBJohnnyWas, 9:51 AM EDT
I've barely missed a normal ba. I bought BA for the first month and then only been able to afford to buy for crazy XP times about two or three times.
I've two weeks left to go on my NCB and at best I'm going to top out at 1.9 million."

I have one month and a half left of my NUB, I only bought full BA in my first WEEK, I only bought XP time BA in my first MONTH, before switching away from the RoE to the ToE.
And I'm already at 1.8 mil MPR.

My MPR growth has been almost perfectly linear in the "RoE month", and also almost linear since I switched to a ToE... but it was roughly half of the growth rate I had with the RoE.
I suppose the growth rate would have decreased even if I kept fighting with the RoE instead of the ToE, since I'm fighting even now people between -3% and +4% challenge bonus, and I could not get much better challenge bonuses even with the RoE.

You only need to compare the growth rate of BlueWolf's char with my char... we started almost at the same time, he probably started with a 1600 pre-stashed BA (I started with the usual 160), he bought BA continuously, I bought only a handfull early on.
He's at 2.1 MPR, I'm at 1.8 MPR, and he's growing right now (with a RoE in offence) roughly 50% faster in MPR.

All in all, a 3 mil MPR character by the end of a RoE-only NCB should not be that hard to get if you miss none of your daily BA, but still buy none.
A 4+ mil MPR should be acheivable if you also buy all BA while using the RoE.

QBJohnnywas June 11 2008 10:57 AM EDT

It's the RoE that is evil, I tell ya, the RoE!!!!


Arrr Jim Lad....

Godpanda June 11 2008 11:01 AM EDT

Your math is flawed. The growth rate after 2 mil MPR is staggeringly low. Getting to 2 mil isn't hard at all. I almost never buy BA, I miss tons of BA, I took a short vacation. My net was down constantly.


And I'll still hit 2 mil before the end of my NCB.

It's too easy to get to 2 mil and too hard to get to 3 mil. IMHO of course.

Godpanda June 11 2008 11:02 AM EDT

Oh, but I did use RoE for the first two months and some odd days.

Sickone June 11 2008 11:03 AM EDT

JohnnyWas, you challenged over 60k battles in 107 days (or 109 actual days if you take into account those 1600 you started with), while I challenged roughly 47k in 82 days (with no prior stash-up).

I know I missed some BA too, so you must have missed a lot more BA if you had to buy some most of the time and still only have that many challenged battles.

Still, we're almost equal in MPR (actually, I have a slight advantage).

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] June 11 2008 11:06 AM EDT

Ranger:
"But JW, did you start with 1600?"

JohnnyWas:
"No, I didn't that is true. But even with that I'd probably only be looking at a 2 million char, or a little over. "

Sickone June 11 2008 11:06 AM EDT

"Chain Handcuffs, 11:01 AM EDT
Your math is flawed. The growth rate after 2 mil MPR is staggeringly low. "

Worst case scenario, it's 25% lower. I wouldn't consider that "staggeringly low", especially since after you hit 6/20 (at a bit under 2.5 mil) the growth rate jumps back to "normal". The nasty part is the 2 mil - 2.5 mil part, and that is, again, at worst 30-35% longer than that between 1.5 mil and 2 mil.

Sickone June 11 2008 11:08 AM EDT

Ah, sorry, strike that 109 days remark, leave the 107 days in :p
Stil, that's barely 2-3% difference tops anyway.

QBJohnnywas June 11 2008 11:19 AM EDT

I've not missed many BA at all. Maybe two days worth tops from start to finish. Especially since I went into 7/20.

I only bought BA for the first month. and then not every crazy xp time. In total I've bought BA in crazy xp time about 5 or six times. The RoE really does make a huge difference. It's just a shame that the strats I like rely heavily on tattoo use otherwise I'd use one.
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