stats: minion pr and team mpr (in General)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 13 2008 11:08 AM EDT

currently in our character standings stat page we have a section entitled minions pr. it is actually the team mpr or character mpr though. for very selfish reasons, i would like for it to actually show minion stats and then have another stat called character or team mpr that shows the current stat as well.

my first reason for wanting this change is that people often use my mpr compared to those higher than me to make certain points regarding game balance. i think it would be useful to be able to see a comparison with my minion to their highest minion and i think that would be pertinent to any discussion.

my second reason is so i can watch with apprehension as n*b's move up on me and might possibly dethrone me as the largest single minion team. i can do this now but it takes a bit of legwork.

heck i might not even have the largest minion in the game, i am not real sure that this is the case any longer.

[SIBT]Gardiner Amarth June 13 2008 11:13 AM EDT

Great idea! I've always wanted to see each minion's breakdown as well.

QBOddBird June 13 2008 1:25 PM EDT

Yah, I'm kinda interested in this as well...would be a cool stat to have.

Colonel Custard [The Knighthood] June 13 2008 2:06 PM EDT

Hmmmm... if I don't get a loan for that second minion soon, I may just pass you as the largest single minion...

And in the event that I get my minion before I pass you, I still want to watch the gap close during my last week of NCB. So I am in favor of this suggestion.

Draugluin June 13 2008 2:07 PM EDT


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 13 2008 6:49 PM EDT

"Hmmmm... if I don't get a loan for that second minion soon, I may just pass you as the largest single minion...

And in the event that I get my minion before I pass you, I still want to watch the gap close during my last week of NCB. So I am in favor of this suggestion."

if you do not pass me up by the ned of your ncb, i think someone else will sooner or later. then i can switch to watching how far ahead they can stay of me if at all.

Sickone June 14 2008 1:28 PM EDT

I'd also love a "MTL" ranking (directly proportional to minions XP instead of MPR).

QBOddBird June 14 2008 2:06 PM EDT

MPR -is- directly proportional to a minion's XP! ;'D

It just doesn't include the VPR of untrained experience, and such a stat would be just as unreliable as MPR given that it would not update automatically often enough to be accurate...or at least, I think so.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 14 2008 2:28 PM EDT

mtl appears to update at least daily at cache flush, but i think it might also update upon training.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 14 2008 4:08 PM EDT

of course if we are correct in assuming that mtl is a better indicator of growth than mpr with no impact from hoarding of xp, then it really would be the better statistic to track in the growth history chart for each character.

Sickone June 14 2008 5:52 PM EDT

"MPR -is- directly proportional to a minion's XP"

Sorry to be nitpicky, but in order for that to be true, it would have to be MPR = constant * sum(XP).

However, it appears to be something akin to constant * sum(XP)^0.7 or somesuch, so, no, it's not directly proportional.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 27 2008 2:37 PM EDT

i was really hoping that would could get this stat added to the stats page or word from the creator that it will never happen so i can quit dreaming.

Wasp June 27 2008 2:57 PM EDT

It would be an excellent stat : )

Sickone June 27 2008 4:00 PM EDT

Thanks to Pheasant Plucker, an update on the XP-vs-PR issue.
apparently, within reasonable margin of error,
VPR = (total_XP / 1.4307)^(1/1.2501)
Or, in other words,
total raw levels = 0.119225 * (VPR^1.2501)

Taking my own character's example, I have 8,460,084 trained levels (101,521,008 XP) with a 4,230,042 max tattoo and a 1,906,797 listed MPR (all XP trained) - the formula listed checks out reasonably well (1,906,792 expected MPR according to formula, negligible differences).

As you could probably notice, the max tattoo level is precisely HALF of my total trained levels (and I have all levels trained up), in other words, MTL is a great indicator of total XP on the team - it's PRECISELY equal to (total_XP/24).

QBOddBird June 27 2008 4:11 PM EDT

Again, I agree with dudemus that it would be lovely to have a minion PR statistic. :)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 28 2008 9:15 AM EDT

since the character standings page seems so balanced, but over the years i have longed for more stats, as have others it seems, i propose several changes be made.

at the moment we have 8 stats that are tracked in the "overall" category and only four in the other categories 1, 2, 3 & 4 minions. so as not to break up the appearance, or force jon into changing it, we could make linkies out of the overall, 1 minion, 2 minion, 3 minion and four minion headers.

each linky would open a new page with stats for just that category. besides renaming the minions pr to team mpr in overall and then adding the new stat to track single minions pr, i would love to see all 8 stats tracked in overall also trackable in the breakdown links for 1, 2, 3 & 4 minions.

thanks in advance for any consideration this idea may garner.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] June 30 2008 2:06 PM EDT

since the stat page needs to be updated regardless, i wanted to make sure that my last idea had been seen. ^
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