Bug with Junction/Familiar (in General)

MissingNo June 17 2008 1:07 PM EDT

There is a bug when my Junction was 0.06 and equipped with an AoF, my FF would be doing only hundreds (like 1k max) of damage to enemies with 0 AC. After untraining Junction, I got damage more along the lines of:

Metal Gear RAY's familiar's Fireball hit Pepper [58299], Sour [77537]

which seems to be way more consistent with my FF's level. So I conclude that having low levels of junction seems to cripple familiars, which I heard was a bug that was supposedly fixed.

Talion June 17 2008 1:17 PM EDT

Could it be that with low junction, the AoF is boosting AMF without boosting your tattoo DD level?

MissingNo June 17 2008 1:18 PM EDT

I'm not talking about boosting my FF. I'm talking about it WEAKENS my FF, regardless of whether or not AMF is involved.

8DEOTWP June 17 2008 1:23 PM EDT

Junction transfers both positive and negative effects (such as armor dx penalties) but as junction gets higher it can block out the negative. At 1.0 you get 100% of the positive effect for most things, and 150% for ST and DX. At 1.0 you get 0% of the negative effect.

.06 is hardly worth it-that'd hurt more than help

MissingNo June 17 2008 1:41 PM EDT

My low level of junction is because I don't have enough exp to dump into it to make it 1.00. But that is besides the point. Low junction taking down my FF's damage from 100k to 1k is a bug... right?

QBOddBird June 17 2008 1:54 PM EDT

No, I have actually had this bug before.

When Junction is below 1.00, it actually REDUCES your familiar's level by that amount.

At the time, my lvl 100k Hal was reduced to a level 1k Hal because I had the audacity to train a base Junction (this was during Slayer's tourney.)

It is certainly a bug - Junction should not be reducing the tattoo's size. Yes, you are correct that it junctions over both positive and negative armor effects. No, it should not be nerfing his tattoo.

8DEOTWP June 17 2008 1:54 PM EDT

I always thought 1.0 or bust, to tell you the truth.

Talion June 17 2008 2:17 PM EDT

"When Junction is below 1.00, it actually REDUCES your familiar's level by that amount."

That is a HUGE bug. Dang! I'm glad you made me aware of it.

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 2:37 PM EDT

fixed junction + focus reducing familiar DD level

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] June 17 2008 2:47 PM EDT

This same problem is still there for JKF. With junction below 1.00 it reduces str, dex and UC by that % even with nothing equipped.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 17 2008 2:50 PM EDT

also is the issue that the AoF isn't boosting UC at all...

MissingNo June 17 2008 2:53 PM EDT

The bug isn't fixed. With 0.005 junction my familiar's DD level is at 1,262,470. Without junction its level is at 1,262,621, which means the familiar still loses levels due to low junction.

MissingNo June 17 2008 3:27 PM EDT

With a complete base junction (0.00) my familiar's DD level is at 1,262,726, which is lower than its level without junction. So yeah, the bug is still there, although a lot smaller.

MissingNo June 17 2008 3:29 PM EDT

Sorry for the triple post, but now I retrained Junction to 0.05 (0.06 effect) and the DD level of the familiar is still 1,262,736. So double bug?

AdminJonathan June 17 2008 4:08 PM EDT

fixed to within 0.02% is fixed enough :)

QBRanger June 17 2008 4:16 PM EDT


I was hoping for a "fixed better"!!!

QBOddBird June 17 2008 4:34 PM EDT

Thanks Jonathan! :)

Is it fixed for physical damage familiars also? I don't have a problem with it - heck, can't test to see if it even still exists - right now, as I have a far-too-big Junction, but later on it could be a real team killer.
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