Hate me all you want, but this has to stop. (in General)


smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] September 8 2008 3:35 PM EDT

I honestly think $CB rewards need to be lowered. $2 per mil now? Seriously, WTH. I remember before cb2 was known of cb1d was selling supportership for $10/mil, it surpassed that mark on cb2 long ago, and i was fine with that, but come on, $2/mil? Puhlease! All you haters hating on USD spenders, QUIT selling them CBD for a price a homeless person could buy 50 mil. All you're doing is getting more people on the USD train with all this extra cash floating around and these 1 bil NW weapons. No wonder we were never hitting melee rounds. I wonder though, what started all this lower and lower selling numbers? (NUB?)

I suggest lower $ rewards to comensate for this influx of low USD/CBD spending.

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BeAsT-MoDe September 8 2008 3:36 PM EDT

he's just kidding, lol good joke

(0.0) [SeeD] September 8 2008 3:39 PM EDT

people just keep lowering prices for no reason.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] September 8 2008 3:57 PM EDT

The fact that encumbrance had something to do with that, and of course supply and demand, waaaay to much supply not enough demand

Goodfish September 8 2008 4:32 PM EDT

+1 Henk. It's supply and demand.

I hate the USD game people play on CB, because it makes it virtually impossible for anybody to "work" their way up. The only way I could potentially be competitive at this point is to burn about thirty bucks on CBD and upgrade my stuff, or just buy souped-up equipment. Or name stuff. But my point is, I CAN'T be competitive because of the necessity to spend USD now.

I understand your chagrin, but there's just nothing anybody can do to stop this monster at this point. =\

I've actually kept this idea to myself for a long time, but I've long thought that Jon should ban USD sales between players and sell items and cash to players who want to spend USD. This would let him enforce the old "$10/mil" rule we all cherished on CB1.

Cube September 8 2008 4:59 PM EDT

I imagine it will rise slightly due to tanks being viable again. But why is this important anyway? I play the game with the money I earned within the game, never sold any, only ever bought two supporterships for other people.

NUB is likely the major cause of the price's steady decreasing, but if Jon saw this as a problem I'm sure he'd change it, but he hasn't, so I guess he doesn't.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] September 8 2008 5:02 PM EDT

It's proving there's too much money floating around willy nilly. That is why this is important.

Little Anthony September 8 2008 5:11 PM EDT

isn't this a way to kill USD power now? Too many people wants this to happen (including me). It is quite obvious that Jon has answered people's prayers by implementing those recent changes.





Goodfish September 8 2008 6:09 PM EDT

No, this only inflates USD's power. You get more bang for your buck now. There are still some of us who simply can not pump ANY USD into this game, no matter if it's 10 bucks a mil or 2 bucks. It's rather obvious: in CB1, I actually felt as if I had a chance, even without a N*B bonus, to reach the top (or near it). Now, despite my 321% EXP bonus from my NCB, I still realize I will never get to 4mil MPR- in fact, thanks to the fact I will always be "underpowered" compared to similar players of my level (that spend a minimal amount of USD), I'll be stuck with a low (or negative) challenge bonus relatively early on and lose any chance I ever had of getting anywhere near even half of the highest MPR.

:(

Frost September 8 2008 6:15 PM EDT

See who told you all CBD to usd was gonna go down? back when the special shop was implemented? im done soon anyways though.

Colonel Custard September 8 2008 6:26 PM EDT

Borgin: you don't have $2?

WHY have sellers been dropping the rates? To be competitive. It is a buyer's market right now, so the seller who gives the lowest rate will get business first. Everyone wants to get business fast, and doesn't care how crazy their prices are. It's idiotic.

Goodfish September 8 2008 6:31 PM EDT

I have $2. I just don't have $2 to spend on a capricious internet game, what with my tuition, rent, utility bills, and the fact I'm currently getting sued.

Grr.

Cube September 8 2008 6:34 PM EDT

Why should you get a good price for game money? Why should the gamemaker care. Someone tell me this.

If you sold out, don't expect to be competitive; Borgin, smallpau. If you want to be, put the money back in the game.

Colonel Custard September 8 2008 6:35 PM EDT

Good call. Sorry.

A lot of people would agree that they don't have money to spend on a capricious internet game... but a large number of those who don't have $10 to spend on 1mil might have $5 or $3 or $2, and the more the price goes down, the wider the influence of USD could spread, as more people could be getting ahold of CBD.

Tyriel [123456789] September 8 2008 6:35 PM EDT

"It's idiotic."

I agree. People hurting themselves in order to help themselves is just another one of humanity's idiocies.

Still, unless you're buying or selling USD, it really doesn't matter too much to you. Except for the fact that you'll never, ever, ever be 'competitive' in a game which has a specific bonus to help new players be just that. :)

USD FTW! (or perhaps FTL? I don't know. Perhaps CB2.5 could answer that question? :) )

INDColtsFan18 September 8 2008 7:07 PM EDT

The only way to raise the CB:USD rate would be reset the game or start CB3.

Why can't we just deal with it? Why do you care that it is now cheaper to buy CB$?

Lower money rewards is a very lame way to 'solve' this one problem.

Brakke Bres [Ow man] September 8 2008 7:08 PM EDT

I've never spent a single cent on this game, but if the prices drop even more I'm almost tempted of buying some.

Which is bad!

Adminedyit September 8 2008 7:11 PM EDT

yes lets lower monetary rewards so that people who dont buy CB$ with USD get even less CB$.......

Goodfish September 8 2008 7:16 PM EDT

The only problem I have with USD spending is that it artificially increases a player's power. With the removal of camping, there is no way for a low MPR player to even come CLOSE to his ENC limit. There's also no way for characters to get weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. There's also no way to get 500 AC without serious USD investment.

The fact that naming (which is USD ONLY) and insane + on armors (along with x and + on weapons) is a necessity at higher MPRs just shows how divided CB is. The top players without exception (as far as I'm aware) have put significant USD behind their characters. I spent 10 bucks early on for supportership thanks to my mom's paypal account but since that it's been absolutely nothing. And it shows- both my minions have around 2mil NW but over 15mil ENC.

I'm not saying this needs to change; I'm just ranting like the OP. ;)

Cube September 8 2008 7:59 PM EDT

"I have also gotten a "lump bid" of $100 USD, for those of you who want everything.

I can also sell my characters, although I'm relatively certain they aren't worth much. They will be thrown in with whoever buys everything (if a lump bid does indeed win), or sold off individually otherwise. Feel free to bid on a character; if you need information about character stats/skills, I'm happy to post those as well."

I don't mean to pick on you, but if you still had that $100 you could put it back into the game for 50 mil right?

Goodfish September 8 2008 8:35 PM EDT

The money would've gone towards my speeding ticket, not CB.

;)

QBOddBird September 8 2008 10:55 PM EDT

+1 ColonelCustard.


The only real solution to this is to limit the number of idiots playing this game; unfortunately, they are pouring in en masse.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] September 9 2008 4:49 AM EDT

"The only problem I have with USD spending is that it artificially increases a player's power. With the removal of camping, there is no way for a low MPR player to even come CLOSE to his ENC limit. There's also no way for characters to get weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. There's also no way to get 500 AC without serious USD investment."

That isn't even close to true. More people have been doing it without buying cash than with. Heck I restarted the game after a year with nothing and gained cash through my first ncb. Now I'm on ncb 2 working on pimping a morg and juicing up armor. The common assumption that everyone with decent equipment has poured their paychecks into it is just well, sad. Heck I'm even running a tank this round anv even as my strat got beaten to death I'm still finishing it out just to see what happens.

Mirick September 9 2008 6:05 AM EDT

Posting in defense of anything Flatcap says, that man is the wizard.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] September 9 2008 6:18 AM EDT

Haha nice man ;)

TheHatchetman September 9 2008 2:14 PM EDT

"The only problem I have with USD spending is that it artificially increases a player's power. With the removal of camping, there is no way for a low MPR player to even come CLOSE to his ENC limit. There's also no way for characters to get weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. There's also no way to get 500 AC without serious USD investment."

I have the third largest melee weapon, 461 AC, and a 5.2m tat... Spent a little USD but not anytime recently :P i think my total artificially inflated wealth/power from an outside source was ~8m or so (not counting original supportership which was going for a mil at the time)... I've blown at least 20m in that time on mistakes and/or experiments (and/or Seeker Arrows!!!) :P

If not for the changes in the past couple weeks, top 10 would not only be a possibility, but almost a certainty... So... umm... yeah :P

Also, I see PoisoN and DrAcO in the top 5 all the time... ~_^

Cube September 9 2008 2:48 PM EDT

Leave it alone, he's just complaining because he can't sell for a decent rate.

King September 9 2008 3:12 PM EDT

The rise of liquid cbd for sale is because of the amount of mage teams in action, they just buy their gear, up it to the soft cap, and sell the money they make after they're finished.

I'm sure if(more like "as" with the evasion nerf) more tank teams come into existence the amount of liquid cbd will start to dwindle as weapon NWs rise and the price will inflate.

The Solution: Buy the cheap cbd sink it into a weapon and wait for the price to go up OR just sit and complain and see where that gets you.

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] September 9 2008 3:16 PM EDT

dude why you think i tryed to sell 20mil cbd for 15mil usd a mil cbd last year?
but what i gotten was whining and laughing people, finally someone sees it and its about time, the rate has to go up again

(0.0) [SeeD] September 9 2008 3:24 PM EDT

"The only problem I have with USD spending is that it artificially increases a player's power. With the removal of camping, there is no way for a low MPR player to even come CLOSE to his ENC limit. There's also no way for characters to get weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. There's also no way to get 500 AC without serious USD investment."

I've had many weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. I also have at least 420 AC without Steel Skin. It is very easy for me to go over my ENC limit.

Cube September 9 2008 3:31 PM EDT

AoD, simply charging more than anyone will pay for it will not do anything.

FS> CBD $100/mil

(0.0) [SeeD] September 9 2008 3:33 PM EDT

$15/m were prices when CB just came out, There's a lot more CBD so prices won't ever go that high.

Relic September 9 2008 3:56 PM EDT

The irony for me is that the sellers are complaining the price is too low for virtual money sold for real money. Seriously, you guys have too much time on your hands if you have time to complain about this. You get what people are willing to pay, no more and no less.

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] September 9 2008 3:58 PM EDT

if a few people start selling higher people automaticly increase there price to a little lesser then the highest so the price raises and only 1 person cant do a thing

Cube September 9 2008 5:10 PM EDT

Thank you, Relic!

And AoD people won't be selling higher because there will always be more cbd. Unless someone starts buying up all the cbd there is the prices aren't going to increase. You can raise your prices, but no one will ever buy them if there are cheaper ones.

Goodfish September 9 2008 5:38 PM EDT

>>I've had many weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. I also have at least 420 AC without Steel Skin. It is very easy for me to go over my ENC limit.

That's insane (coming from a guy who is happy with a x15 weapon and 130 AC)! Well, I suppose at higher MPRs (I'm hardly at half a mil), the money you make is quite a bit higher, so reaching your ENC limit will be easier to reach. But I can't imagine having anywhere NEAR my ENC limit on my current character, ever- it will require a lot of NCB's to get my gear up to that level.

Thraklight Resonance September 9 2008 11:41 PM EDT

"I have 10+ mil ready to be sold away @ $3 per mil

Straight PP transfer gets the lot at $2.50/mil, CC is stuck at $3/mil."

--{cb1}smallpau1, August 4 3:59 PM EDT

The $3 and more per million crowd already think you crossed the line back in August with this post. The $2 and more per million crowd will probably be complaining about someone else next month. :-)

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] September 10 2008 3:13 AM EDT

and sold none of it. And i actually needed the money at the time, not so much now. Anyways:

"The only problem I have with USD spending is that it artificially increases a player's power. With the removal of camping, there is no way for a low MPR player to even come CLOSE to his ENC limit. There's also no way for characters to get weapons with x's in the thousands and hundreds of +. There's also no way to get 500 AC without serious USD investment."


I know first hand that's not true as i have the #2 BoNE and tied for the #5 Exbow, all by forging them myself. But yes, you need a char with a decent MPR to forge anything.

Mirick September 10 2008 3:58 AM EDT

Actually, yours is the third highest BoNE. :p

Cube September 10 2008 4:03 AM EDT

Pwned via salvage yard.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] September 10 2008 7:17 AM EDT

"That's insane (coming from a guy who is happy with a x15 weapon and 130 AC)! Well, I suppose at higher MPRs (I'm hardly at half a mil), the money you make is quite a bit higher, so reaching your ENC limit will be easier to reach."

Actually the rewards go down as your challenge % goes down. I'm getting 900-1000 at 8/20 off of a 100% challenge. And having a x15 weapon, thats just sad.

AdminNightStrike September 11 2008 5:01 AM EDT

> $15/m were prices when CB just came out, There's a lot more CBD so prices won't ever go that high.

Actually, it was $100/m on day one, and $50/m later on that day. There's a post somewhere in the archives of General describing it.

Godpanda September 11 2008 7:21 AM EDT

I swear to heck NS, if this isn't it, you owe me 2 hours of my life.


http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001DFG

I'm tired. I'm going to bed. You owe me if that's it XD



(BTW, Jon, lol @ "I don't remember banning you, but I do have a policy of baning flaming idiots when they make it clear they're not learning from milder discipline. ")


Don't ask where that's from. I'm not looking up anymore threads for anyone ever at any time.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] September 11 2008 10:54 AM EDT

/me sheds tears of remembrance for Doc...

I really do miss him. *sadface*

Colonel Custard September 11 2008 5:32 PM EDT

Wow, dude. No one who commented in that thread GW linked is even around anymore...

Goodfish September 11 2008 5:46 PM EDT

>>Actually the rewards go down as your challenge % goes down. I'm getting 900-1000 at 8/20 off of a 100% challenge. And having a x15 weapon, thats just sad.

Yes, I admit that I'm a rather pathetic CB player. :) I BS'ed it at my brother's request and it's now much bigger (x100 +20). It's still pretty dinky, though... now my ExBow is x15 +5. =\
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